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jojo22
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW, to an earlier comment made that I don't try and find balanced articles, it is true that I am more attracted to ones that reflect my own views. However, if I didn't do that then how would I end up with such wonderful debates and discussions with people?

This particular article I came across, rather than went hunting for. I was actually on scoop trying to find out if anything had been written about a tragic accident that had occurred that day in NZ.

You might have noticed that articles unfavourable to Bush are rather mainstream and prolific these days.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jojo22 wrote:
You might have noticed that articles unfavourable to Bush are rather mainstream and prolific these days.


It's very hard not to notice. It's negative propaganda because there is no attempt to be fair or balanced or offer workable thought out solutions that can fit with other working solutions and reality.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jojo22 wrote:
Well then my second choice is someone who has studied political science?


He could also have a MBA. Logic and argumentation are usually required courses. He was just using simple argumentation tools.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

. wrote:
jojo22 wrote:
Well then my second choice is someone who has studied political science?


He could also have a MBA. Logic and argumentation are usually required courses. He was just using simple argumentation tools.


MBA - am I correct to assume that stands for a Masters of Business Administration? So do you work as an executive or did you go in a more academic direction with your post-grad degree?


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

. wrote:
jojo22 wrote:
You might have noticed that articles unfavourable to Bush are rather mainstream and prolific these days.


It's very hard not to notice. It's negative propaganda because there is no attempt to be fair or balanced or offer workable thought out solutions that can fit with other working solutions and reality.


One thing for certain is the negative propaganda runs in so many directions from so many sources that the 'real' picture may never be known, that is if there is such a thing as the 'real' picture.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok - I should add also that I thank those that gave an in-depth analysis of the paper and their opinion on it and you raised good points and gave me a fuller understanding of the situation in doing so. I didn't put in a personal opinion on the article because I don't have existing in-depth knowledge to do so - my field of expertise lies elsewhere, but I am always interested to learn from people in other disciplines. I'm actually learning a hell of a lot about many things as a result of the articles I have posted here Wink Let's try and keep our discussions lively but refrain from personal slurs eh? That only ever devolves into a bad space.

So getting back to the topic at hand. I see that a set of recommendations have been put forth by the Iraq Study Group, which I am sure you are aware of. If you don't have it already - a link to the full PDF document can be found by following this link:
http://politics.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/12/06/iraq-study-group-pull-most-troops-from-combat-by-08/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2006%2FPOLITICS%2F12%2F06%2Firaq.study.group%2Findex.html
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok - that was a long link Confused

So, the guys that put it together are saying that all 79 recommendations should be taken as a package and not treated as a 'fruit salad' (pick and chose between those you do and do not like). I understand two further reports are due in a matter of days as well.

Anyone got any predictions about what may come out of this?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am yet to read the Iraq Study report in its entirety.
I will do so this afternoon.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Likewise, I'm going to have to find some time to work through 160 pages (eeek!). Hopefully there will be a lot of wasted page space in the document!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boohoo
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh lookee there - another kiwi - we're investing the site Laughing

Hello Captain - where are you based? I'm from Wellington.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jojo22 wrote:
Oh lookee there - another kiwi - we're investing the site Laughing

Didn't you mean to say "infesting the site"? Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, yes, I did mean infesting, now let's go eavesdrop on some phone sex Party Smile
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