Climate change

[SarahGirl]

It is now More than 90% certain that climate change is being caused by human activity.

[thebigone]

These are only computer projections and don't take into account any natural phenomena that will occur. Also the information they have used only goes back 15o years so all in all pretty useless really. Climate change is natural and unavoidable, without global warming we would not be here now but still stuck under 5 miles of ice. Governments are just using the 'climate change' bandwagon to frighten people into paying more taxation.

[megalodon]

[quote="thebigone"]These are only computer projections and don't take into account any natural phenomena that will occur. Also the information they have used only goes back 15o years so all in all pretty useless really. Climate change is natural and unavoidable, without global warming we would not be here now but still stuck under 5 miles of ice. Governments are just using the 'climate change' bandwagon to frighten people into paying more taxation.[/quote]

You're perfectly right...and wrong, the way I see it. Basically it's a natural phenomenon and a necessity as well. Without it we would be living in (or not living in) the afore mentioned winter-inferno. But the increase in global warming these last 60 years is a fact and not something we can afford to ignore.

I agree with the original poster - time for action!!!

[sinistra]

We knew the impact of our lifestyle already 20 years ago and that the climat would be efected by it, only the goverment did not do anything.
And the reason is simple, tax. They make to much cash on petrol, without that tax the whole system will fall apart.

The world is ruled by the petrol industry so they wont let any one or anything coming in between making their cash, they just think of filling wallets.

Now its already to late to do anything about it so enjoy the ride as long it can we will get mayor disasters coming next to coming wars about the land availeble were you still could live. This is not doom thinking its just the way it will go.

( sorry for spelling errors, I am not writing in my first language, but I do my best )

[kinghelfer]

...you cant just blame us ,oomans! what about all those Cows Belching and Farting Methane into the atmosohere 24/7...?¿?

[jojo22]

[Annie Jakes]

[Gladys]

If climate change is being caused by human activity it is because there are too many people.

I don't think anyone really knows if climate change is down to human activity.

[Annie Jakes]

[monosodium]

I don't think climate change is a direct result of human activity, especially in respect of things like CO2 emissions. The "evidence" is a bit backwards. The amount of CO2 which humans release into the atmosphere is insignificant when compared to the amount released merely by the sea for example. Same with deforestation, a lot of the worlds oxygen also comes from the sea and not from trees as people often think.

I saw an interesting article a while back which basically indicated that a large number of the contributors to the work of the IPCC did not agree with it and had asked to have their names removed from the publications and the IPCC refused until they were threatened with legal action, many could not afford legal action and remain listed as contributors rather than cited sources. Many authors who did not agree with the outcome the IPCC wanted when they set out resigned, but are still considered members on some IPCC documents.

Interestingly the same article indicated an multi-century lag between the levels of CO2 in the atmosphere and the temperature in the wrong direction. CO2 for example not causing climate change, but was an indicator of it a number of centuries after the fact.

Before I get lynched, I'm not to saying I don't think we should act on energy efficiency and conservation. We absolutely should harness the energy which is around us and freely available first and we should put resources into that while we can afford it and we absolutely should consider our use of fossil fuels because they are a finite resource and economically restricting to just a handful of countries. I am saying that one of the main things that the climate change lobby and IPCC rely on as evidence may be less well proven than many of us have been led to believe.

[SarahGirl]

I had hoped for a more enlightened response than the ones above.

The computer models that are used for predictions have now been in operation for many years and have been tested against weather and co2 records for many years previous to that - the models are not perfect but they are pretty accurate.

Can you give any evidence that 'a large number' of the contributors to the IPCC - and are you sure that they didn't want a much stronger report, if they did disagree. There was a big report in the Guardian saying that the report had been watered down at government request, between the scientific stage and the final publication.

According to a report I heard on radio 4, there is no good evidence that Mars or other planets are experiencing any significant warming.

The evidence on cosmic radiation explains less than 10% of the warming at most.

The cloud formation issues are included in the climate models.

Whatever people try to pretend, by far the majority of scientists working on climate change agree that global warming is happening and the major causes are man made (including domestic cows and the methane they emit - that's in the models as well).

Its inconvenient - but its true and its very worrying that people don't take it seriously at all.

[monosodium]

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[thebigone]

Alarming for who, the Martians. A bit of snow melting on another planet isn't going to affect us. Stupid government ideas say we must reduce our consumptions to reduce our carbon emission by 60% per household. Does anyone realise exactly what that means, no electricity consumption whatsoever, no car, no heating fuel and no cooking. What the govt. wants is everyone to freeze and starve in their cold, dark homes and then tax us to death for the privilege. Well until they come up with some hard evidence they can whistle for it. Britain will become like North Korea, a big dark blob you can see from space. Stuff it.

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