Language and Immigration

[SM]

Can't you find any indigenous white English people to speak to? Are they so few and far between that you can't find one?

HAHA! Good point. Yes, I will go out and speak to my racist neighbours today probably. They have the same opinion as you. They should not come into this country unless they can adapt to our ways, blah blah blah... One of the racist pigs has sold their house to an Egyptian family though. So not only are they racist bigots, they are also hypocrites.

Personally I prefer Asian orientation. I find the people a lot friendlier and selfless. As is the same with eastern Europeans. You do them a favour and they will not forget it.

I was speaking to a man from Iran yesterday. Asked my opinion about a gold chain that he was trying to sell. It was obviously fake gold. I could tell from the touch, it was too hard and shiny. Anyway, he was typically Iranian, beard, slippers, not very good English. Because I took the time to speak to him and listen and understand what he was saying, he was eternally grateful. The point is, it's not about where someone comes from, what they look like or speak like, it's about the person inside.

If you would prefer to have us all inter-breeding and being inward looking, then just look at the bi-product? Chav boys and Idiot White Girls. Good God they are so thick! Try speaking to them - all you get is wot, dunno, wot, dunno. All they do is hang around street corners drinking cider and being tw@ts.

They are so dozy and thick, and the schools are spewing them out as young adults when they don't have any social skills whatsoever, actually the majority cannot even read or write properly. If you would rather stick with our home-grown youth, rather than open your eyes and see a much better bet from outside our shores, then be my guest. But don't say I didn't warn you. Problem is though, what you are advocating is a nation of thick people. You are on a one-way trip back to the dark ages where people live in fear of anything new or strange. Have closed minds and closed lives.

[SM]

ENGLISH ONLY ! If they don't like it , toooooo bad!

I completely agree TG! Every immigrant that comes here should be forced to learn English! We are one nation, and we should use one common tounge!

BTW, we can use those 747's to shoot-on-sight the illegals trying to get into this country!

Err, This thread is now talking about the UK, and we are part of Europe so the people coming into the UK from eastern Europe have every right to do so. I would suggest you try and keep up

Or are you racist about people who live in different parts of the US too? IE: north - south or east - west, etc, etc...

We are one nation

We are also one world

[noodles]

I thinks its really saddening to hear people being so cruel and unkind to races of people based on the gossip and hearsay they've heard in the street or in the taboid press. I'm willing to bet that not one of those people actually knows someone from a race they slag off, has ever met an immigrant or asylum seeker, knows nothing about islam other than 'they are all radical murdereing shits who hate women' ( ), and have never actually taken the time to chat to or try to understand who any of these people are - from whatever county/culture/religeon.

Good opinions are based on knowledge and experience (not what someone else said over a pint last night cause thier dad said.........)and as most of you lot appear to have no 'actual' personal experience at all then my suggestion would be to shut up really cause you're really embarassing yourselves.

[noodles]

We are also one world



+1000

[SM]

I thinks its really saddening to hear people being so cruel and unkind to races of people based on the gossip and hearsay they've heard in the street or in the taboid press. I'm willing to bet that not one of those people actually knows someone from a race they slag off, has ever met an immigrant or asylum seeker, knows nothing about islam other than 'they are all radical murdereing shits who hate women' ( ), and have never actually taken the time to chat to or try to understand who any of these people are - from whatever county/culture/religeon.

Good opinions are based on knowledge and experience (not what someone else said over a pint last night cause thier dad said.........)and as most of you lot appear to have no 'actual' personal experience at all then my suggestion would be to shut up really cause you're really embarassing yourselves.

Good post

[Gladys]

Immigration is one of the worst disasters to happen to the UK.

Having run my own business for over 40 years and employed over 500 people I speak from experience.

[noodles]

Immigration is one of the worst disasters to happen to the UK.

Having run my own business for over 40 years and employed over 500 people I speak from experience.

What business do you run gladys and what happend to make you think this about immigration? How has it affected you? Is it our immigration 'laws' that you dislike? The people who come here themselves? Or what?

[SM]

Immigration is one of the worst disasters to happen to the UK.

Having run my own business for over 40 years and employed over 500 people I speak from experience.

Interesting that you put this in the past tense. Has immigration caused you to shut up shop because you were unable to compete on price? Or did the market become saturated? A little more meat on bones would help give credence to your point of view and argument.

Why is it a disaster though? We have an ageing population, so we need healthy young people to come and work here, so that we are all comfortable in our retirement.

[ILWL]

SM - Why don't you answer my question is it possible to be Anti immigration and yet not anti immigrant?

[noodles]

SM - Why don't you answer my question is it possible to be Anti immigration and yet not anti immigrant?

I personally think its possible. As i asked glayds, is it the laws or the people she disliked?

It is surely possible to want tighter laws without bieng anti-immigrant?

To be anti-immigrant you are surely saying that you have a dislike of a huge group of people. Slightly short-sighted, prejudiced and judgemental id say.

Id also say that anyone who is 'totally' against people from other counties moving here must also be against british people living in australia, working on contracts in the middle east, UAE, Canada ect.........many people do this so id ask if its just the UK you're precious about or is it the way in which its allowed to happen here?

For example Eastern European workers will work for much less than UK workers on building sites for example. Imo its the laws that allows them to be paid in such a way that under-cuts uk workers. The laws allow business owners to employ cheaper labour. The government allow it and the british fatcats exploit it. So in fact we are bieng exploited by our own people, not the eastern europeans (as an example). If we could go to another country and earn 5 times our wage many of us would.

[ILWL]

SM - Why don't you answer my question is it possible to be Anti immigration and yet not anti immigrant?

I personally think its possible. As i asked glayds, is it the laws or the people she disliked?

It is surely possible to want tighter laws without bieng anti-immigrant?

To be anti-immigrant you are surely saying that you have a dislike of a huge group of people. Slightly short-sighted, prejudiced and judgemental id say.

Id also say that anyone who is 'totally' against people from other counties moving here must also be against british people living in australia, working on contracts in the middle east, UAE, Canada ect.........many people do this so id ask if its just the UK you're precious about or is it the way in which its allowed to happen here?

For example Eastern European workers will work for much less than UK workers on building sites for example. Imo its the laws that allows them to be paid in such a way that under-cuts uk workers. The laws allow business owners to employ cheaper labour. The government allow it and the british fatcats exploit it. So in fact we are bieng exploited by our own people, not the eastern europeans (as an example). If we could go to another country and earn 5 times our wage many of us would.

I feel more or less the same way - the trouble is few seem to think this way! It actually at times seems that you are caught between a rock and a hard place because I cannot take the arguments put forward by both SM and Bigone fully at face value - even though I do to a certain extent understand where they are coming from - I would say that they are both extremists

It has been said that it is the government that has made people racist - to a certain extent this view can be justified when one looks at their handling of the immigration debate. LETS BE FRANK - Or actually lets be not! They have twisted the debate hiding behind the facades of human compassion and indicating it's the fault of the EC - even though it was apparently our own leaders (Possibly at the behest of the Americans) who have subverted national perogatives and the idealism behind the EU - when the 'Medicine' is bad THANK God (Or is that De-Gualle) for the scapegoat in Brussels.

I for one wish the BNP would just F*** OFF - you cannot take any group like that seriously - I cannot stand them. It is such a shame that this is the (Only) group which Appears to be fighting the corner of the British people - in particularly since they seem convinced that it is still 1939.

However what choice do those people stinking of Cider have - when the moral of the story is it is permissable (Indeed compulsory) to show contempt to what used to be seen as your kind!?

[SM]

SM - Why don't you answer my question is it possible to be Anti immigration and yet not anti immigrant?

Sorry, ILWL, I did see this question hidden away at the bottom of a post or 10 and did intend to answer it.

I can see where you are coming from with your stance, but I do not think it is possible to say that you are anti one but not the other. Everyone deserves a fair chance.

If the fear is that the immigrants will take our jobs, then we have to have our Government put things in place to stop this happening, same with our houses, our NHS and our schools. However, they way forward is not mass expulsion and all the other hateful thoughts in peoples' heads, the way forward is debate and constructive argument. If someone is ranting and throwing single examples and untruths around, as a way of describing a whole race or even worse, a number of races, then you have to question what sort of a race are we, don't you?

If thebigone had said, "I hate the Dimitri <sp> family because they are thieving scum, but I don't let that taint my view of all eastern Europeans", then maybe we would have gotten off on a better foot. But hey-ho, he has made his/her opinion very aired and therefore me mine. However, I would not say that I am an extremist though.

[ILWL]

I can see where you are coming from with your stance, but I do not think it is possible to say that you are anti one but not the other.

Granted that in linguistic terms the statement does carry a degree of contradiction - however it is possible to express disaproval of the process without resorting to ill advised and easily redirected racism - the evidence of this I believe is my own attitude to the condition and I challenge anyone reading this to provide examples to the contary.

The statement you have made however is interesting since I have read it (Perhaps chosen to) as almost akin to Bush's 'With us or Against us' mantra - which is why you are an extremist. Perhaps you consider yourself (A) Liberal (Mind) fuelled by a sense of virtue and fair play - maybe your position in life allows life to be seen as a game of winners and simply those who take part.

On the otherhand your outrage maybe based upon the company you keep and the folks you have met - I can understand your view if perhaps your experiences lead you to the conclusion that Polish people make better friends - however if it just a case that they provide you with better value for money or make for better (More Pliant / Docile) workers - I think that perhaps you best go F*** yourself!

Everyone deserves a fair chance.

Ideally everyone would - all things being equal and all that - but seriously now why bother putting fair into that sentence? Why not add on but some are more deserving then others? (I leave it up to you to decide the criteria for selection or the measurement employed to ascertain who is more deserving) Wonder if this view / conclusion is one you have reached on your own - Do you recognise the connotations and imagery inherent in using De-Serves means that you are giving a nod to a hierarchical society - the very word does it not evoke reward or shall I say carrot and stick!

If the fear is that the immigrants will take our jobs, then we have to have our Government put things in place to stop this happening, same with our houses, our NHS and our schools. However, they way forward is not mass expulsion and all the other hateful thoughts in peoples' heads, the way forward is debate and constructive argument.

Agree wholeheartedly!

What I would say though is look at the way you have responded to other posts - also consider the kind of people running the country - look at the social makeup of our parliament - can you honestly say they speak for the country (As opposed to to it)? Whilst you are at look at the political choices open to those who like me disagree (Granted for a reason) with (Economically motivated) immigration - the closest party in the mainstream is the Tories (the thought just makes me shudder) who will give platitudes to people then do nothing! - outside this it seems to be a case of UKIP v BNP. Looking at this would you not agree it is a shame that people are pushed this way by a mainstream which patronises?

[SM]

The statement you have made however is interesting since I have read it (Perhaps chosen to) as almost akin to Bush's 'With us or Against us' mantra - which is why you are an extremist. Perhaps you consider yourself (A) Liberal (Mind) fuelled by a sense of virtue and fair play - maybe your position in life allows life to be seen as a game of winners and simply those who take part.

On the otherhand your outrage maybe based upon the company you keep and the folks you have met - I can understand your view if perhaps your experiences lead you to the conclusion that Polish people make better friends - however if it just a case that they provide you with better value for money or make for better (More Pliant / Docile) workers - I think that perhaps you best go F*** yourself!

Very deep! I do not employ any Polish immigrants so your later comment is not relevant to me.

I am not extreme in my view. I just don't like it when people say things about a whole race, when it is blatantly wrong and simply cannot be true. How on earth can this be an extreme view point?

It's like me saying the Earth is flat. You will tell me until you are blue in the face that it's round. Would you consider yourself to be extreme? I think not. But you would feel like you were banging your head against a brick wall and, I might feel that you are being extreme in your view that the Earth is round. But only because I believe it is flat.

Now I am obviously wrong in my thinking, and therefore assume you are being extreme. But to an outside person, you would just be a main-stream thinker.

The same applies to immigration. My POV is neutral. It is only the people who believe the lies about immigrants who consider it to be extreme, IMHO.

ONE WORLD - ONE LOVE

[Lena]

Everyone's welcome but you should se yourself as a American and in public speak english .

Too many multi-culturists and racists in immigrant groups want to change the rules for there own gain . That will only lead to national suicide as we all divide up into our own little tribes .