Joined: 29 Jul 2007 Posts: 3369 Location: inner west sydney, australia
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:09 pm Post subject:
didn't this thread start out with the question "evangelicism, synonymous with fascism" - hope i'm not upsetting anyone, but i'm going to post a few thoughts on that subject.
to answer the question of whether evangelism (or evangelicism if you liketo use that word instead) is the same as fascism, you would first have to look at what the two terms mean.
what is fascism?
fascism is as a movement of extreme racial or cultural nationalism, combined with economic corporatism and authoritarian autocracy. the . political movement is led by a strong charismatic leader whose reactionary ideas are said to express the will of the masses.
fascism and nazism (a specific form of fascism) involve:
- nationalism;
- aggressive militarism;
- violence or threats of violence to impose views on others;
- authoritarian reliance on a leader or elite not responsible to the electorate.
- attacks on both liberalism and communism.
- dehumanization and scapegoating of enemies as inferior or subhuman;
- the self image of being superior to socialism, capitalism and democracy.
- exploitation of the industrial working class and;
- abandonment of any consistent ideology in a drive for power.
what is evangelism?
basically, evangelism is the practice of preaching the gospel of Jesus to both Christians and non-Christians, with the aim of converting the listeners to the evangelists brand of Christianity. some evangelists lead large meetings like those of billy graham, while others address the public in street corner preaching in small groups or even on a one to one basis. those who operate as missionaries these days lay themselves open to claims of cultural imperialism. then there are the tv evangelists who have proved to be prone to scandal.
are they the same thing?
as a generalisation, no, certainly in the case of the more mainstream evangelists. but while fascism is fairly constant in its methods, evangelism is not. there are some pretty strange evangelists out there and some of them would employ fascist ideology to a degree. some evangelists who have extreme views that diverge greatly from those of the mainstream churches (some to the extent that they may even be considered cult leaders) could be said to operate in a very similar method to fascists (think of the jonestown massacre in guyana for example) but these evangelists are a very small minority.
fascism is as a movement of extreme racial or cultural nationalism, combined with economic corporatism and authoritarian autocracy. the . political movement is led by a strong charismatic leader whose reactionary ideas are said to express the will of the masses.
Given that fascism by definition has nothing to do with religion, it is incorrect -- indeed, bigoted -- for the thread starter to say "evangelicism, synonymous with fascism."
[quote="minigirl"] "...but these evangelists are a very small minority." [/quote]
Does Evangelism have anything to do with Life..?
Being a "small minority" isn't the issue, and doesn't remove, nor stifle, the authority and control... Right now the Evangelical Cult is in total control of America... A king is the smallest minority who controls the whole majority, bending it to his will and whim...
Evangelism might be "christianity".. but I doubt it...
Evangelism is more of a money & power, religion, club, and cult, backed and enforced by the world's most powerful military... This is the Inquisition reborn, awakened from its grave, to feed upon the spirit of humanity... Therefore it seems that Evagelism is essentially hell's face, and hell's gullet...
OH.. Is that what it is you're doing..?
Not to fret hun.. You'll get through it with a little help from your Shrinks and us... I'm proud of you too, in that you are finally beginning to admit your personal life-stifling mental problems... Stick with us a little longer, and we'll try to help you get through some of it... You've come a long way already... We are honored that you chose us to assist you with your more pressing mental problems... It's not often we get New York celebs to assist out of their little hells and ills, your majesty...
Joined: 29 Jul 2007 Posts: 3369 Location: inner west sydney, australia
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:05 pm Post subject:
cosmicB wrote:
minigirl wrote:
"...but these evangelists are a very small minority."
Does Evangelism have anything to do with Life..?
Being a "small minority" isn't the issue, and doesn't remove, nor stifle, the authority and control... Right now the Evangelical Cult is in total control of America... A king is the smallest minority who controls the whole majority, bending it to his will and whim...
Evangelism might be "christianity".. but I doubt it...
Evangelism is more of a money & power, religion, club, and cult, backed and enforced by the world's most powerful military... This is the Inquisition reborn, awakened from its grave, to feed upon the spirit of humanity... Therefore it seems that Evagelism is essentially hell's face, and hell's gullet...
excuse me, but would you firstly learn how to use a computer so that your posts were easily read and, secondly, explain what the garbage you posted has to do with the post you were allegedly replying to?
There is no excuse for you minigirl dwarf.. but you are excused anyway...
Never chatted with an Aussi-dwarf before.. seems they sure are simple-minds...
How easy do you need it presented for you to begin to grasp it?..
I'm guessing you need it in presented in stories and pictorials, like "Dick and Jane", or "Jack and Jill".. or out there it might be "Willabe and the wallaby", or "Patty's Platypus"...
I can see how you need an explanation, but I doubt the forum wants "gah gah's" and "googoo's", and the odors of burp-up sour milk...
You'll need to learn English on your own to catch-on to what's being read...
For you, I suggest: http://www.first-school.ws/theme/alphabetp1.htm ...
They have words and associated pictures... If you apply yourself well you'll get through it without too much difficulty.... Just ask us when you run into difficulties... It is suggest you start at the "A's"...
It may not seem so, but in a few months you'll be using the potty.. and a few months more you'll be into pullups, and speaking words... We are pleased to help third-worlders... We might even get you to start wearing clothing..?
Joined: 29 Jul 2007 Posts: 3369 Location: inner west sydney, australia
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:10 am Post subject:
ZiaAries wrote:
minigirl, don't pay any attention to the response that you got. No one else does. He's lights are on, but I don't think anyone is at home.
don't worry, i'm not. i don't feel inclined to enter into a battle of wits with cosmicb - it's against my principles to attack an unarmed person...........
Okie... This would be a good time to illustrate to one of the three mindless bullies how her posts make another feel, and why people react with anger...
It should be a good lesson for the three bully idiots...
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Aussi Dwarf published a good post...
"didn't this thread start out with the question "evangelicism, synonymous with fascism" - hope i'm not upsetting anyone, but i'm going to post a few thoughts on that subject.
to answer the question of whether evangelism (or evangelicism if you liketo use that word instead) is the same as fascism, you would first have to look at what the two terms mean.
what is fascism?
fascism is as a movement of extreme racial or cultural nationalism, combined with economic corporatism and authoritarian autocracy. the . political movement is led by a strong charismatic leader whose reactionary ideas are said to express the will of the masses.
fascism and nazism (a specific form of fascism) involve:
- nationalism;
- aggressive militarism;
- violence or threats of violence to impose views on others;
- authoritarian reliance on a leader or elite not responsible to the electorate.
- attacks on both liberalism and communism.
- dehumanization and scapegoating of enemies as inferior or subhuman;
- the self image of being superior to socialism, capitalism and democracy.
- exploitation of the industrial working class and;
- abandonment of any consistent ideology in a drive for power.
what is evangelism?
basically, evangelism is the practice of preaching the gospel of Jesus to both Christians and non-Christians, with the aim of converting the listeners to the evangelists brand of Christianity. some evangelists lead large meetings like those of billy graham, while others address the public in street corner preaching in small groups or even on a one to one basis. those who operate as missionaries these days lay themselves open to claims of cultural imperialism. then there are the tv evangelists who have proved to be prone to scandal.
are they the same thing?
as a generalisation, no, certainly in the case of the more mainstream evangelists. but while fascism is fairly constant in its methods, evangelism is not. there are some pretty strange evangelists out there and some of them would employ . ideology to a degree. some evangelists who have extreme views that diverge greatly from those of the mainstream churches (some to the extent that they may even be considered cult leaders) could be said to operate in a very similar method to fascists (think of the jonestown massacre in guyana for example) but these evangelists are a very small minority."
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I agreed with Aussi Dwarf, and published this post, in defending Aussi Dwarf from moron moron's attack:
[quote="minigirl"] "...but these evangelists are a very small minority." [/quote]
Does Evangelism have anything to do with Life..?
Being a "small minority" isn't the issue, and doesn't remove, nor stifle, the authority and control... Right now the Evangelical Cult is in total control of America... A king is the smallest minority who controls the whole majority, bending it to his will and whim...
Evangelism might be "christianity".. but I doubt it...
Evangelism is more of a money & power, religion, club, and cult, backed and enforced by the world's most powerful military... This is the Inquisition reborn, awakened from its grave, to feed upon the spirit of humanity... Therefore it seems that Evagelism is essentially hell's face, and hell's gullet...
Somehow Aussi Dwarf took offence at my post... She probably couldn't handle the truth about christianity...
Auusi Dawrf posted:
"excuse me, but would you firstly learn how to use a computer so that your posts were easily read and, secondly, explain what the garbage you posted has to do with the post you were allegedly replying to?"
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I read that piss, and thought "Hey!.. I'll show her how her urine feels when she splashes it on others... I'll just splash it right back"... So I posted:
"There is no excuse for you minigirl dwarf.. but you are excused anyway...
Never chatted with an Aussi-dwarf before.. seems they sure are simple-minds...
How easy do you need it presented for you to begin to grasp it?..
I'm guessing you need it in presented in stories and pictorials, like "Dick and Jane", or "Jack and Jill".. or out there it might be "Willabe and the wallaby", or "Patty's Platypus"...
I can see how you need an explanation, but I doubt the forum wants "gah gah's" and "googoo's", and the odors of burp-up sour milk...
You'll need to learn English on your own to catch-on to what's being read...
For you, I suggest: http://www.first-school.ws/theme/alphabetp1.htm ...
They have words and associated pictures... If you apply yourself well you'll get through it without too much difficulty.... Just ask us when you run into difficulties... It is suggest you start at the "A's"...
It may not seem so, but in a few months you'll be using the potty.. and a few months more you'll be into pullups, and speaking words... We are pleased to help third-worlders... We might even get you to start wearing clothing..?"
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Aussi Dwarf posted her response...
"don't worry, i'm not. i don't feel inclined to enter into a battle of wits with cosmicb - it's against my principles to attack an unarmed person..........."
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Cute!..
I have several options... I'll pick one that works...
To enter a "battle of wits", first you've got to have some...
It is your principle to attack innocents.. check out your past hundred posts.. you do it so well, but you convince yourself that you don't...
You have no principles, only fear of pain...
You, moron moron, and that Zia thing.. "three of lord satan's lessor daughters",, three bw spiders... I lived with one a year... They all do the same...
One even wants to rule the world with an iron paw... Can't happen... In your own words dearest mother nature, "the nigs got it"... So it looks like you won't be spending your 6-hours a day in a lovely bathroom as before... Your only remaining option for luxurious executive solitude is to recreate the pretty bathroom behind a slum's ficcade...
So instead of attacking, miss Aussi Dwarf.. you could have continued the dialogue in a mature way... but that isn't your MO.. Yours is you find pain where there is none.. then react to the immaginary pain... You might get that checked out by a pro... All 3 of you might... Three of a kind... Three three's... T-Three's... "The Terrible Three's"...
Don't piss yourselves too much.. it's only the truth as it is... maybe you'll grow some from it... but I doubt it... You three only know shrink, down, and spit...
It's not that drastic... Actually it's, You three Neanderthals versus Reality...
Every time anyone posts anything that threatens bring change to the better, you goonies stomp on it hard.. The three of you persist in trying to silence the truth by over-loading the thread with your psychotic gibberish and word wars.. thereby keeping-out the gentle folk, out of the equation, for fear of attracting your vile scorning and bullying...
Every thing New, you gorillas see as challenges to your belief structure, because you know darn well that your belief structure is so fragile and unstable, that it can't take any honest scrutiny...
If your belief structure was solid and sound and truth, it wouldn't need be defended so aggressively... Deep inside you three know that your whole belief structures are actually just bullshit... You fight what you can't fathom...
I offer New and Change... You goons fear new and change more than you fear death itself, because your religion teaches you to fear everything not of your religion... You goons believe that any change means "the end of the world".. whilst your projects are ending the world... That's how cocaine abuse makes you think... Cocaine is essentially an anesthetic... It numbs out the pains... In the brain it causes crucial segments of the brain to fulfill itself, that being to seek out and quash pain.. so it seeks out pain in everything, to quash.. and in doing so you create pain where there is none, to quash it... I don't hate America... This isn't against America... I love America... I just hates how the American government is treating my American neighbors, and the whole world... The problem is People like you three making wars, and polluting the planet's life support systems...
You goonies fail to realize, because you can't think, that the mess you are causing, for money, to damage the planet, your children's children will have to live in
You three cocaine soaked heads need some serious medical help, or your bodies will start falling apart around your early 60's...
I challenge you three apes to permit a gentle folk high intellect thread to run free of your insanities, undamaged by your vile christian ways... You can't do it.. you fear Life so much... You are afraid that new stuff will force you to have to think... You can't... You declared that violently emphatic by complaining I wasn't doing my post quotes properly... You three don't have the mental capacity to think something out that is the slightest bit different than the accepted norm... I would measure you three at the intellect of three year olds.. babies in adult bodies.. doing life's necessities by habit only... You three are mindless... Your minds are switched Off... Proof is that all three of you together couldn't think a single new thought...
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