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The Colonel
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

myron myron wrote:

And speaking of fascism:


The Colonel wrote:
"As horrid as it sounds from someone of my rank, and a politics graduate, I believe Britain needs military governance for at least ten years (starting now)."

So those are the words of a champion of freedom and democracy, not the words of a fascist? Laughing



No, they are not. I'm a moderate socialist myron.

The military does need to intervene more in politics to prevent an Islamic takeover. There are 1.8 million muslims here and 80% want Sharia Law.

Solution? Bring in the army to restore order.

If Her Majesty calls upon my services - I will be ready.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No, Fred. Us bourgeoisie are the OWNERS of the means of production, distribution and exchange. Consequently, as one of them, I cannot be a communist. I do not advance a revolution of the proletariat.


And my point is that when you remove God from politics the STATE takes his place.
And the current working model of a godless state is CHINA!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fred75 wrote:
The Colonel wrote:

No, Fred. Us bourgeoisie are the OWNERS of the means of production, distribution and exchange. Consequently, as one of them, I cannot be a communist. I do not advance a revolution of the proletariat.


And my point is that when you remove God from politics the STATE takes his place.
And the current working model of a godless state is CHINA!


In Britain, the state is above god anyway.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Colonel wrote:
Fred75 wrote:
The Colonel wrote:

No, Fred. Us bourgeoisie are the OWNERS of the means of production, distribution and exchange. Consequently, as one of them, I cannot be a communist. I do not advance a revolution of the proletariat.


And my point is that when you remove God from politics the STATE takes his place.
And the current working model of a godless state is CHINA!


In Britain, the state is above god anyway.


Exactly!
Your moral ethics will soon mirror the Chines and their Godless state!
You remove God and Christian morals and you remove your personal freedoms. PERIOD!


I might add that when you remove a higher power the government has no one to answer to.
Ergo the government is now the only higher power in it's citizens life.

I wonder how long it will take before your head of state figures out that he is then basically a god?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



History teaches that de jure atheistic societies are governed by murderous dictators, freedom of conscience is brutally oppressed, civil liberties are non-existent and religion is replaced by cult of personality whereby the founding murderous dictator and/or demagogic murderous successor dictators are deified and venerated.

In the de jure atheistic communist Soviet Union, the murderous dictator Lenin and the more murderous dictator Stalin were deified and venerated.

In de jure atheistic communist China, the murderous dictator Mao was deified and venerated.

In de jure atheistic communist North Korea, the murderous dictator Kim Il Sung and now his murderous son Kim Jung Il have been deified and venerated.

In de jure atheistic communist Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge, the murderous dictator Pol Pot was deified and venerated.

In de jure atheistic communist Albania, the murderous dictator Enver Hoxha was deified and venerated.

In de jure atheistic communist Cuba, the murderous dictator Fidel Castro is deified and venerated.

In de jure atheistic communist Romania, the murderous dictator Nicolae Ceauşescu was deified and venerated.

In de jure atheistic communist North Vietnam, the murderous dictator Hồ Chí Minh was deified and venerated.

There are more examples, but the above sufficiently illustrate my point.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fred75 wrote:
The Colonel wrote:
Fred75 wrote:
The Colonel wrote:

No, Fred. Us bourgeoisie are the OWNERS of the means of production, distribution and exchange. Consequently, as one of them, I cannot be a communist. I do not advance a revolution of the proletariat.


And my point is that when you remove God from politics the STATE takes his place.
And the current working model of a godless state is CHINA!


In Britain, the state is above god anyway.


Exactly!
Your moral ethics will soon mirror the Chines and their Godless state!
You remove God and Christian morals and you remove your personal freedoms. PERIOD!


I might add that when you remove a higher power the government has no one to answer to.
Ergo the government is now the only higher power in it's citizens life.

I wonder how long it will take before your head of state figures out that he is then basically a god?


Lovely atheism. Can't beat it.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

myron myron wrote:


History teaches that de jure atheistic societies are governed by murderous dictators, freedom of conscience is brutally oppressed, civil liberties are non-existent and religion is replaced by cult of personality whereby the founding murderous dictator and/or demagogic murderous successor dictators are deified and venerated.

In the de jure atheistic communist Soviet Union, the murderous dictator Lenin and the more murderous dictator Stalin were deified and venerated.

In de jure atheistic communist China, the murderous dictator Mao was deified and venerated.

In de jure atheistic communist North Korea, the murderous dictator Kim Il Sung and now his murderous son Kim Jung Il have been deified and venerated.

In de jure atheistic communist Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge, the murderous dictator Pol Pot was deified and venerated.

In de jure atheistic communist Albania, the murderous dictator Enver Hoxha was deified and venerated.

In de jure atheistic communist Cuba, the murderous dictator Fidel Castro is deified and venerated.

In de jure atheistic communist Romania, the murderous dictator Nicolae Ceauşescu was deified and venerated.

In de jure atheistic communist North Vietnam, the murderous dictator Hồ Chí Minh was deified and venerated.

There are more examples, but the above sufficiently illustrate my point.




de jure, being the obvious word.

Perhaps you are forgetting the various religious societies that have been, and still are, murderous?

Crusades, Reformation, Inquisition?

Iran? Iraq? Saudi Arabia? The KKK?

Those are just the tip of the iceberg.

You are talking about COMMUNISM. Not atheism.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Colonel wrote:
myron myron wrote:


History teaches that de jure atheistic societies are governed by murderous dictators, freedom of conscience is brutally oppressed, civil liberties are non-existent and religion is replaced by cult of personality whereby the founding murderous dictator and/or demagogic murderous successor dictators are deified and venerated.

In the de jure atheistic communist Soviet Union, the murderous dictator Lenin and the more murderous dictator Stalin were deified and venerated.

In de jure atheistic communist China, the murderous dictator Mao was deified and venerated.

In de jure atheistic communist North Korea, the murderous dictator Kim Il Sung and now his murderous son Kim Jung Il have been deified and venerated.

In de jure atheistic communist Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge, the murderous dictator Pol Pot was deified and venerated.

In de jure atheistic communist Albania, the murderous dictator Enver Hoxha was deified and venerated.

In de jure atheistic communist Cuba, the murderous dictator Fidel Castro is deified and venerated.

In de jure atheistic communist Romania, the murderous dictator Nicolae Ceauşescu was deified and venerated.

In de jure atheistic communist North Vietnam, the murderous dictator Hồ Chí Minh was deified and venerated.

There are more examples, but the above sufficiently illustrate my point.




de jure, being the obvious word.

Perhaps you are forgetting the various religious societies that have been, and still are, murderous?

Crusades, Reformation, Inquisition?

Iran? Iraq? Saudi Arabia? The KKK?

Those are just the tip of the iceberg.

You are talking about COMMUNISM. Not atheism.


No system is perfect.
Point is... which do YOU want to live under?
The ashiest societies above or the Christian based one you live in today?

Because if you pick the atheist governments... no amount of praying will save your freedoms!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


To date, Communism has essentially been the only atheistic political philosophy adopted in practice to govern nations and therefore it constitutes the evidentiary basis for evaluating atheistic government.

Atheism is not a tangential aspect of the communist political philosophies of Marx, Engels, Trotsky, Lenin, Mao, et al.; rather, state atheism is a fundamental tenet of communism.

Evaluation of a philosophy that was actually put in practice entails analysis of the historical evidence at hand, i.e., what actually was and what actually happened, not fanciful speculation on what could be and what could happen.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^^ What he said! Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


Unlike the Islamic Q'uran, which expressly provides for and affirmatively obligates Muslims to adopt theocracy governed by Muslim law (sharia), the Christian New Testament neither mentions nor suggests nor implies nor supports theocractic government.

The teachings of Jesus Christ focus on individual morality as a foundation for a moral society, not on government or politics or detailed laws.

Yet, it is no coincidence that virtually every major industrialized democratic society in the world today that protects civil rights and civil liberties, is populated by a Christian majority.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

myron myron wrote:

To date, Communism has essentially been the only atheistic political philosophy adopted in practice to govern nations and therefore it constitutes the evidentiary basis for evaluating atheistic government.

Atheism is not a tangential aspect of the communist political philosophies of Marx, Engels, Trotsky, Lenin, Mao, et al.; rather, state atheism is a fundamental tenet of communism.

Evaluation of a philosophy that was actually put in practice entails analysis of the historical evidence at hand, i.e., what actually was and what actually happened, not fanciful speculation on what could be and what could happen.



People are oppressed not by state atheism (and you can forget the claim of oppression over religious freedom - peoples minds are being freed).

People in those COMMUNIST states are don't fair they way the do because of atheism alone.

The reason behind the oppression lies behind the values of communism - of which atheism is merely one part.

States need not be communist to be atheist. States need not be abusive as communist states and be atheist.

Any idiot knows that.

In a proper atheist state, the only freedom that is removed is freedom of religion - because it is hateful, divisive and causes wars.

Atheists do not want a state with hate, division or mythologies that people fight over.

Your defence of such shows how right-wing you both are.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


Name one state that actually exists in the present or actually existed in the past, which fits your definition of a "proper atheist state."

I'm all ears . . . Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Colonel wrote:

In a proper atheist state, the only freedom that is removed is freedom of religion - because it is hateful, divisive and causes wars.



You remove the right to believe in a higher power you remove all other rights. PERIOD.
Because you are now removing the right to think independently.
The government now TELLS YOU WHAT TO THINK.

And again, religion is just a tool, and excuse, of those to GAIN material possessions and power.
Religion is just another form of politics to those men.
Don't blame the religion. Blame those that abused it for their own personal gain!
Just like men becoming priests, teachers and coach's to gain access to children to sexually abuse.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

myron myron wrote:

Name one state that actually exists in the present or actually existed in the past, which fits your definition of a "proper atheist state."

I'm all ears . . . Laughing



If you're all ears that explains why you have no brain! Laughing

Proper atheist states are the future. You'll see! Laughing
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