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Paul-F
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:21 am    Post subject: U.S. AbsorbED Immigrants Reply with quote

A 100 years ago America absorbed and integrated millions of immigrants, why can't we?

Over a 100 years ago America had open borders anyone could come as they pleased. Initially the nativists (original british settlers) were hostile to the immigrants, just as we are to new immigrants today, though the true native Americans may have a different view on the matter.

However, the immigrants that went to America brought their own cultures and integrated themselves and added to the American way of life. They did this by whilst simultaneously living in their own communities, just as we have pockets of immigrant towns and cities. Today, without a doubt there is no racism between the descendents of the immigrants. You will not see German-American Joe saying "eh, steve your a Italian-American Douchebag!". They all see themselves as American, even though they are aware of their ancestry.

All this took place over a 100 years ago, I would like to think that society has progressed a bit since then. So if the Americans could eventually accept immigrants as an equal citizen, why are we unable to? Do you think eventually racism will disappear in Britain as a result of eventual integration like in America, or, the through the BNP being elected and kicking out all the immigrants?

In fact, the largest ethnic group in America is an immigrant group, the German-Americans. Would it be acceptable for you, say that in a 100 years, the largest ethnic group would be Polish-British?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:42 am    Post subject: Re: U.S. AbsorbED Immigrants Reply with quote

Paul-F wrote:

In fact, the largest ethnic group in America is an immigrant group, the German-Americans. Would it be acceptable for you, say that in a 100 years, the largest ethnic group would be Polish-British?


Paul, Where does this "fact" come from? I have never heard the term "German-Americans."
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Gibbous Moon
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the American’s were probably helped by two factors. Firstly, they had lots of space out West for people to move into. Either first generation immigrants or internal migrants from the East coast could move West in a steady stream and therefore the perceived competition for resources in the East was reduced.

Secondly, America was founded by migrants so the population were probably a bit more used to new faces arriving.

I was chatting to a mate of mine who lives in Portland, Oregon and he mentioned that Oregon and Washington State were expecting to triple their population over the next twenty years as the final waves of internal migration from East to West finished.

Not to say that we in the UK can’t absorb relatively large volumes of immigrants. We’ve done so before. There are large populations of Liths in Edinburgh for example from 4 waves of migration (pre WW1, post WW1, post WW2 and post-EU). We’re a fairly cosmopolitan nation. Brits have historically been to other countries and members of the . and Commonwealth have visited or moved to the UK.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:01 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. AbsorbED Immigrants Reply with quote

Paul-F wrote:
A 100 years ago America absorbed and integrated millions of immigrants, why can't we?

Over a 100 years ago America had open borders anyone could come as they pleased. Initially the nativists (original british settlers) were hostile to the immigrants, just as we are to new immigrants today, though the true native Americans may have a different view on the matter.

However, the immigrants that went to America brought their own cultures and integrated themselves and added to the American way of life. They did this by whilst simultaneously living in their own communities, just as we have pockets of immigrant towns and cities. Today, without a doubt there is no racism between the descendents of the immigrants. You will not see German-American Joe saying "eh, steve your a Italian-American Douchebag!". They all see themselves as American, even though they are aware of their ancestry.

All this took place over a 100 years ago, I would like to think that society has progressed a bit since then. So if the Americans could eventually accept immigrants as an equal citizen, why are we unable to? Do you think eventually racism will disappear in Britain as a result of eventual integration like in America, or, the through the BNP being elected and kicking out all the immigrants?

In fact, the largest ethnic group in America is an immigrant group, the German-Americans. Would it be acceptable for you, say that in a 100 years, the largest ethnic group would be Polish-British?


A lot come to America to work for their fortunes.
Somehow I don't think thats the attraction so much in your welfare state.
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Big Ben
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try again, Paul.

1/ The US has a lot more than land mass than Britain does and could absorb more immigrants.

2/ White Americans may get along, but there is lots of racial tension with blacks, with Mexican immigrants and with Asians.

3/ With the advent of tearrorrism and world overpopulation, assimilating immigrants may be getting harder rather than easier.
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Lena
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All are welcome !

But you have to want to be a American not just live here and also speak english .

We're getting milllions from Mexico and south America .Most aren't too concerned about becoming Americans and are not learning english like they should .There probably more racist politicians and yahoos among the hispanics then any group of real Americans .Those ingrates /scum want to see a nation within a nation now and maybe take over someday . .


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myron myron
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Ben wrote:
Try again, Paul.

1/ The US has a lot more than land mass than Britain does and could absorb more immigrants.

2/ White Americans may get along, but there is lots of racial tension with blacks, with Mexican immigrants and with Asians.

3/ With the advent of tearrorrism and world overpopulation, assimilating immigrants may be getting harder rather than easier.

There is not "lots of racial tension."

And "Asians" does not mean the same thing in the United States and the UK.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the above myron. I had thought the same when I read what you pointed out. It's not an accurate statement.
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Big Ben
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/25/us/politics/25clinton.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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myron myron
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Ben wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/25/us/politics/25clinton.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

So The New York Times reports that a black Democrat U.S. Congressman has criticized Democrats Hillary and Bill Clinton for comments the Clintons made in the Democratic Presidential primary about black Democrat U.S. Senator Barack Obama, the likely Democrat nominee for the Presidential election.

That doesn't prove or even evidence that "White Americans may get along, but there is lots of racial tension with blacks, with Mexican immigrants and with Asians."

It does evidence, however, that black people are at the highest levels of American government notwithstanding that they comprise less than 15% of the population.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 12:01 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. AbsorbED Immigrants Reply with quote

Paul-F wrote:
A 100 years ago America absorbed and integrated millions of immigrants, why can't we?

Over a 100 years ago America had open borders anyone could come as they pleased. Initially the nativists (original british settlers) were hostile to the immigrants, just as we are to new immigrants today, though the true native Americans may have a different view on the matter.

However, the immigrants that went to America brought their own cultures and integrated themselves and added to the American way of life. They did this by whilst simultaneously living in their own communities, just as we have pockets of immigrant towns and cities. Today, without a doubt there is no racism between the descendents of the immigrants. You will not see German-American Joe saying "eh, steve your a Italian-American Douchebag!". They all see themselves as American, even though they are aware of their ancestry.

All this took place over a 100 years ago, I would like to think that society has progressed a bit since then. So if the Americans could eventually accept immigrants as an equal citizen, why are we unable to? Do you think eventually racism will disappear in Britain as a result of eventual integration like in America, or, the through the BNP being elected and kicking out all the immigrants?

In fact, the largest ethnic group in America is an immigrant group, the German-Americans. Would it be acceptable for you, say that in a 100 years, the largest ethnic group would be Polish-British?


rose tinted glasses anyone? Laughing The Irish Americans HATE the Italian Americans....and vice versa
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myron myron
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:11 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. AbsorbED Immigrants Reply with quote

GayandProud wrote:
The Irish Americans HATE the Italian Americans....and vice versa

No they don't, you silly man. Laughing

They intermarry routinely.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only white people other white people here have contempt for are ..............................hillbillies!!!!!!!!! Mad Mad Mad
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Cambridge
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lena wrote:
The only white people other white people here have contempt for are ..............................hillbillies!!!!!!!!! Mad Mad Mad


Well, Lena, tbh they're not real fond of Eastern Europeans, either. Rolling Eyes
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Big Ben
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The current racial hierarchy in the US is:

Whites - western European (north)
Whites - western European (south)
Whites - Aussie/NZ
Off Whites - Jews
Whites - eastern European
Whites - hillbillys
Asians (US definition)
Hispanics
Blacks
Native Americans
Middle Easterners (non Jewish)
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