Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:31 am Post subject: cannabis
Just though id start a discussion on cannabis. What do people think about this newly proposed law of re-classifying cannabis to a lower level than alcohol & fags?
I think it should have been legalised long ago. We have much more trouble with drunken idiots than with stonned individuals!..
I also think this would lower petty crime as the police could concentrate on more serious drug issues. Cannabis is a naturally grown produce and is proved to heal some problems people have with pain.
Ask any policeman who he'd rather deal with: a stoner or a drunk. He'll tell you instantly: the STONER. It is a FACT that alcohol was responsible for the debacle of "Woodstock II", at the first one everybody was high on grass and the National Guard could NOT believe what a peaceful, easygoing crowd it was! One of them remarked that if they had had so many good ol' boys and their booze together in one place, there would have been a RIOT for sure! And just look what happened at Woodstock II: Sure enuf!!!
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Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 273 Location: The good ship Lollipop!
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:08 am Post subject:
The only drug that's ever caused me to miss work or made me ill, is Alcohol!
Cannabis doesn't make you fight and jump on policeman. It should be decriminalised
Joined: 31 Dec 2004 Posts: 5052 Location: Leicestershire, UK
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:37 pm Post subject:
As an aside to this ... the NHS swallows up approx 65 billion pounds a year in funding ... that's loads more revenue than the taxes on tobacco & alcohol put together (10 billion & 14 billion respectively).
Although it costs just 1.5 billion to treat smokers on the NHS & a smaller amount to treat alcoholics.
Although if you factor in all 'smoking related diseases' ie every bloody disease you can get (it seems), then the 'real' price is higher.
Though personally I think smokers should be at the top of the NHS queues - they have paid far more tax revenue throughout their smoking lives than non smokers & should be treated accordingly - not as lepers.
Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 298 Location: North Yorkshire
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:12 pm Post subject:
constanza wrote:
Or try an alternative, mugwort and catnip make a satisfying substitute and are absolutely legal.
Mugwort shouldn't be smoked, it's used an incense and it can make you "high"
Catnip is far stronger than blow and is an hallucinogen so if you're going to smoke it, be very careful.
As far as weed is concerned, I can't say I've ever heard of anyone on only weed who mugged someone, beat someone up, stole to feed their habit or did anything else anti-social.
Cannabis gets it's 'bad name' because the idiots who take alcohol or other drugs with it usually end up off their head and doing something wrong.
I know a few pot head, most of them are professional people who either grow their own plants or use the money they've earned to score some weed, have a smoke and chill out after a hard day at the office.
So, as far as I'm concerned, so long as the money to buy weed hasn't been got through criminal activity and the person smoking hasn't done anything wrong and isn't harming anyone else, what's the problem?
Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 298 Location: North Yorkshire
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:17 pm Post subject:
buttons wrote:
Keep cannabis illegal,except for medical use, and ban tobacco,which is often used as the method to take cannabis,because both can cause cancer.
So why do people who have never smoked in their lives get cancer? Some of them lung cancer.
buttons wrote:
What's more, if you have friends who smoke the former,you will know they rarely want to do anything except mong,which is boring,and some of them become paranoid,which may be worse.Plus,serious mental illness may be another effect of cannabis.
There's no evidence to support that cannabis itself causes any mental health problems.
What causes the mental health problems in SOME cannabis smokers is the other things they take with it or, in some instances, the crap they add to hash to bulk it out to make a bigger profit.
As for the paranoia aspect you mention, that's a product of the guilt they feel for following "peer pressure" and smoking an illegal drug. It's the actual smoking of the drug that causes the paranoia not the drug itself.
Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 298 Location: North Yorkshire
Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:54 pm Post subject:
buttons wrote:
1)People often get cancer, because they are genetically prone to it. Some substances are believed to cause cancer, e.g. asbestos.
Do you actually know what cancer is?
I'll assume not. In very basic terms it's a mutation of a cell which can't stop growing and dividing hence the formation of lumps.
How it manifests is in a variety of ways which is why you can get breast cancer, testicular cancer, brain cancer, lung cancer, etc ....
Every single one of us has cells in our bodies and so we're ALL able to get it.
All it takes is for one cell to misfire and that's it, you've got the Big C
The fact remains that around the same number of cancer sufferers smoked have never smoked. Roy Castle, an aid anti-smoker got lung cancer which they put down to "smokey clubs" he started out in and inhailing second hand smoke.
Hmmm I read that and I became dubious when I read this:
"The study, published in the journal Addiction, followed over 1,000 people born in 1977 for 25 years. "
So what they are saying is that, (given it is now 2006 and 1977 was only 29 years ago), they took a bunch of 4 year old children and made them into cannabis addicts to see what the effects would be?
Or perhaps the inference is all these 4 year old children were already addicts???
You also missed the bit where it said "The researchers also took into account factors such as family history, current mental disorders, and illicit substance abuse."
The report goes on about "chemical changes in the brain" as though it's some sort of fantastic event that shouldn't happen! The fact is that no matter what chemical you put into your body it will have an effect on your brain. Be it chocolate or cocaine, it still has an effect.
The report mentions nothing about social issues, such as the amount of advertising the young are bombarded with today. "You must have this phone, you must wear these clothes, you must behave like this, you must F*** like a porn star, you have to be the best at everything" My god!! If I took any notice of that rubbish I'd be heading towards the lunatic asylum myself.
There's so much pressure on people to get everything NOW, to do everything NOW, to be everything NOW they're out there taking drugs to ESCAPE.
In the 60's they took drugs to be creative, to expand their minds, to chill out and be themselves. These days the kids are taking drugs because they have nothing else, they take them to hide away from the expectations they think everyone has of them.
How else do you explain things like depression in children? Or the reports of kids hanging themselves because they're bullied at school because they don't have the latest phone or the newest clothes?
What's any of that got to do with any drug? The increase in mental issues we're seeing today in people isn't because of a bit of weed, it's because of the world and the amount of pressure people are under to compete, to be the first, to be the best, to live constantly in the fast lane without ever slowing down.
Still there are some things that never change, the good old BBC, as accurate as ever I note
buttons wrote:
3) You’re talking nonsense here.
Hmmm, you make a statement but don't validate it, you don't put your point of view across. I wonder why?
Would you care to expand why I'm talking nonsense please?
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