|
|
| Author |
Message |
Guest
|
 Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:48 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
| mogadishu wrote: |
| hmmm... do you mean ad hominem attacks are sound if they identify that someone is not a relevant authority? if you take a look at it again i think you'll find your mistaken. |
There are several categories where ad hominem is not fallacious according to Walton. In fact many, if not all, logical fallacies have situations in which they are not fallacious.
An ad hominem attack can be used to dispute an argument by someone if you can prove they are bigoted and therefore any information they provide is biased beyond pale by the bigotry. Also of course an argument requires give and take and critical thinking. A bigot can't do either.
Arguing from ignorance for instance is not fallacious when you consider that OSHA would not exist if there weren't a strong logical argument that bad work conditions might cause injury, even if we don't know what the injury is or might be.
I could go on, but I'd rather just recommend you get an advanced book on argumentation. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
mogadishu
FemaleFirst Guru
Joined: 16 Aug 2005
Posts: 3307
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:07 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| but you'd still have to be able to show that the person you assumed was biased was actually bigoted on his facts. if you did that, your personal assessment of him would be redundant. if you couldn't, your ad hominem attack would seem unjustifiable to a third party. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Guest
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:18 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| mogadishu wrote: |
| but you'd still have to be able to show that the person you assumed was biased was actually bigoted on his facts. if you did that, your personal assessment of him would be redundant. if you couldn't, your ad hominem attack would seem unjustifiable to a third party. |
Exactly. What was your point? Bigoted person has all the attributes of a bigoted person. That's the first rule of formal logic. It's also a non-fallacious ad hominem when the bigotry is relevant to the argument. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mogadishu
FemaleFirst Guru
Joined: 16 Aug 2005
Posts: 3307
|
| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:45 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Yes - but but the person you deem to be bigoted isn't going to take your accusation lying down, however justified you think it is. for the sake of argument you still have to show how their bigotry biases their argument. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Guest
|
| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:45 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| mogadishu wrote: |
| Yes - but but the person you deem to be bigoted isn't going to take your accusation lying down, however justified you think it is. for the sake of argument you still have to show how their bigotry biases their argument. |
Actually, I don't. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mogadishu
FemaleFirst Guru
Joined: 16 Aug 2005
Posts: 3307
|
| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:49 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| I see. Anyway, let's get back on topic. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Guest
|
| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Of course Porn leads to rape and other crimes.
Men see porn, believe in all that S*** and think every woman is a raging nymphomanic.
As a councillor, have worked with men who have asked me why 'no woman at a bus stop has ever got their C*** out and started sucking it'. They really believe that is what MOST women want. Most women do not give a toss about the blood engorged organ men carry in their knickers.
Some pervs also think that because a woman lubricates during rape, therefore they are consenting to it. The fact her vagina is made to lubricate does not mean she enjoys being raped. Another guy who had non-consensual sex with 17-women said that in every case 'she consented'. What he meant was that in every case upon thrusting, her vagina lubricated.
My own personal view is that some men should be given a lethal injection but equally too, the men who promote the porn industry which contributes to rape and violent sexual crime.
Some men can control their urges pretty well despite looking at porn but in the main most men think that is how women really are and how we really think. That is very dangerous for women. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mogadishu
FemaleFirst Guru
Joined: 16 Aug 2005
Posts: 3307
|
| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:05 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| i think the thing to remember is there is always a measure of dishonesty when a man forces himself on a woman. i don't think that guy seriously believes his own bull. that would be like justifying the rape of 17 men on the grounds they had erections. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
noodles
FemaleFirst Grand Master (1000+ Posts)
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Posts: 1901
|
| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:23 pm Post subject: |
|
|
As a councillor, have worked with men who have asked me why 'no woman at a bus stop has ever got their C*** out and started sucking it'. They really believe that is what MOST women want. Most women do not give a toss about the blood engorged organ men carry in their knickers.
Some pervs also think that because a woman lubricates during rape, therefore they are consenting to it. The fact her vagina is made to lubricate does not mean she enjoys being raped. Another guy who had non-consensual sex with 17-women said that in every case 'she consented'. What he meant was that in every case upon thrusting, her vagina lubricated.
My own personal view is that some men should be given a lethal injection but equally too, the men who promote the porn industry which contributes to rape and violent sexual crime.
Some men can control their urges pretty well despite looking at porn but in the main most men think that is how women really are and how we really think. That is very dangerous for women.
What kind of councillor are you? Surely not the type that supports people 1 to 1 (which i appreciate is spelt differently). I'm hoping you mean it as in local council. Mind you thats bad enough with sweeping statements like yours. God help us all. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Curvey_Brunette
FemaleFirst Chatter (200+ Posts)
Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Posts: 298
Location: North Yorkshire
|
| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:23 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| noodles wrote: |
As a councillor, have worked with men who have asked me why 'no woman at a bus stop has ever got their C*** out and started sucking it'. They really believe that is what MOST women want. Most women do not give a toss about the blood engorged organ men carry in their <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/' target='_blank'>knickers</A>.
Some pervs also think that because a woman lubricates during rape, therefore they are consenting to it. The fact her vagina is made to lubricate does not mean she enjoys being raped. Another guy who had non-consensual sex with 17-women said that in every case 'she consented'. What he meant was that in every case upon thrusting, her vagina lubricated.
My own personal view is that some men should be given a lethal injection but equally too, the men who promote the porn industry which contributes to rape and violent sexual crime.
Some men can control their urges pretty well despite looking at porn but in the main most men think that is how women really are and how we really think. That is very dangerous for women.
What kind of councillor are you? Surely not the type that supports people 1 to 1 (which i appreciate is spelt differently). I'm hoping you mean it as in local council. Mind you thats bad enough with sweeping statements like yours. God help us all. |
Isn't it odd that someone who claims to be a counsellor can't even spell it right? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mogadishu
FemaleFirst Guru
Joined: 16 Aug 2005
Posts: 3307
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:28 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| noodles wrote: |
What kind of councillor are you? Surely not the type that supports people 1 to 1 (which i appreciate is spelt differently). I'm hoping you mean it as in local council. Mind you thats bad enough with sweeping statements like yours. God help us all. |
it's certainly a post with trollsome undertones, but if you've ever had the experience of a complete stranger aasking you to give him oral sex, you can't help but speculate as to whether any sort of societal influence gave him the idea it was ok to do that.
as for women not caring about men sexually, yes, it's way to general a statement to be capable of being proved true or false... remember reading about one man who was devastated by his impotence. he suggested spending £3000 on an operation to correct it. when his wife laughed and said it would be a waste of money, the fact that she was indifferent to their sex life upset him even more. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Guest
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:29 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| noodles wrote: |
| What kind of councillor are you? Surely not the type that supports people 1 to 1 (which i appreciate is spelt differently). I'm hoping you mean it as in local council. Mind you thats bad enough with sweeping statements like yours. God help us all. |
She dislikes men in general and the sick and depraved individuals she "councillors" specifically. If the best she (or he) can do to explain their position on rape and violence against women is this silly rant about killing people by lethal injection and something about lubricating rape victims, then whom ever the poster is should find a job other than "councillor". They are clearly unfit to "councill" anything, but it is typical of socialized medical care I suppose. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mogadishu
FemaleFirst Guru
Joined: 16 Aug 2005
Posts: 3307
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:58 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| hmm. we appear to be getting sidetracked. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
Site Map
FAQ
Usergroups
Search
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
Register
My Profile Space
