Would you circumcise your son(s)?

[elliegirl]

Did you feel a difference in sex? Some women I know say the way the foreskin rolls, and has a kind of "lubricating" effect, is really good for them. Did you notice that?

Not really. Not really much difference for me at all as far as penetration is concerned. If anything, now that he is circumcised there seems to be slightly more friction, but not hugely noticeable.

[Guest]

I'd never have my sons circumcised. If they want to get it done later in life (when they're old enough to understand and want to have it done, rather than be pressured into it), so be it, but I see no reason to mutilate them without their consent. Religion & tradition are no reasons to lop off sensitive parts of a childs anatomy! In fact, I don't think there have been any respectable studies done that claim benefits to circumcison. The new study is somewhat debatable by the sounds of it.

I always feel sorry for cirumcised guys. Their penises always look so... sad.

when its crying semen all over your face, trust me, its far from "sad"

if you grew up around it, cool, the chicks and medical experts wont wanna deviate from their group and will say hoods are good and girls wont know the better or feel too uncomfortable around guys with em bc of the familiarity. same could be said for the opposite end. the only reason these foreskin fighters are so fired up is bc it was there and then removed, so its better to keep it on until they'll remember agonizingly painful procedures to get it removed. haha, funny.. in a cruel way

this is all rather funny to me. my brother had his foreskin removed when he was 15, before i was born (yeah, big family with far ends on the age spectrum), and we chatted about it and he tells me he only regrets the IMMENSE pain but nothing else. i have one brother who still has it, but me and my other bros are goin into the game masks off none of us have regrets and are actually bigger players than our older brothers were, not that that has anything to do with lack of a foreskin but hearing all this rubbish about being bummed in the head bc of it just makes me go cuz you know if they still had the skin theyd just find another reason to say wo is me

[Ezra_Pound]

Guest27.
Old man, words cannot express just how violently I detest you. Everything I have ever seen you post makes me want to vomit. The fact that you would use the word "ostensibly" speaks volumes about you. Hahaha.

All I want to say is why not be civil?

Was I not civil, comrade? Some idiot brought up abortion, of all things, and I dealt with him swiftly. What would you prefer me to do? Allow the thread to degenerate into an argument between relgious fundamentalists and those of us who actually have two brain cells to rub together? It may shock you, my dear boy... It may even cause you to spontaneously combust, but I do not undertake every action with the intent to please you. In fact, I have been known to make a decision or two with little to no regard for how the consequences will affect you, and how you will feel about it. Shocking, I know. I hope you were sitting down.

For which you shouldn't post such a misleading subject line.

"Would you circumcise your son(s)?" is a "misleading" subject line? I don't believe it is, comrade. I ask a question, people answer it. If you are referring to other threads, go and post in other threads, and if that is not to your satisfaction, and you demand even more of my attention, send a PM. Just please don't seek me out, since I would struggle to value your opinion less than I do presently.

You're trying to change minds, right? Well what's going to work best: amiable discussion or terrorism?

Actually, I'm not. Would I like people to stop circumcising their children? Yes. I would also like people to put an end to capitalism, but, unfortunately, it seems people are profoundly stupid, and no amount of argument is going to achieve either end. I'm just learning the motivations of these nincompoops. I am unlikely to learn anything new.

"Terrorism"? I can tell you're an American. You yanks are awful fond of throwing the word around.

"Amiable discussion"? You think I should be reasonable? An impossibility. Circumcising a child is completely unreasonable, particuarly for religious/"cultural" reasons. To entertain the possibility that those are legitimate, morally acceptable reasons for violating a child is to completely surrender reason. Surprisingly enough, once someone has surrendered reason, they are beyond reasoning. It follows. Try "reasoning" with a Neo-Nazi and see where it gets you - The principle is the same.

"Guest".
People only use "smilies" when they're frustrated, and scared of losing an argument.

you sound desperate to sound right.

I'm terribly sorry if that's how it came off, but I assure you that is not the case. Apparently you are entirely ignorant of the foreskin and the role it serves. It's role in intercourse is actually exceptionally important. The reason such a thing is difficult to measure is because, to conduct such a study scientifically, all other potential variables have to be kept constant, which of course is an impossibility. Not only that, but there are dozens of psychological factors to take into consideration.

On the foreskin and its gliding mechanism, look here for a helpful diagram:
http://www.cirp.org/pages/anat/interc02.gif

And here is the written information:
http://www.cirp.org/pages/anat/

Here's another helpful diagram:
http://www.circumstitions.com/Works.html

and no, i dont post a username or care about spelling or give a chunky nugget what you think.

Thank you for being civil. Now smarten up, or Guest27 will yell at you.

girls will always like seeing a face on their cocks, its simple stats.

You do realise that intact penises have heads, too, right? Point me to your "stats". You are painfully ignorant, and I have no reason to believe the people you claim to have asked are any different. Why do you find it so hard to accept that other people may possibly be a tad more knowledgeable than you? Are you angry with your parents?

every girl i ever talked to about it says skin there is like suckin down a worm or shoving a small elephants in her snatch.

Charming. I'm sure the 80+% of women in the world who frequently engage in acts of a sexual nature with intact males feel the exact same way. They're just waiting for studs like you to come along and show 'em how it's done!

medically i don't give a crap unless yur my doc.

I know far more about this than most (American) doctors do. The fact that many babies are circumcised for "phimosis" (which all medial authorities acknowledge cannot be diagnosed until adulthood), pretty much proves my point. Circumcision is a billion dollar business in the U.S., as is artificial Lubricant, which millions of men use to aid masturbation, and millions of women use to ease penetration. The doctors are likely circumcised themselves. The doctors are not legally allowed to attempt to "influence" the parents, only to offer information, if asked. Think about it, buddy.

the way you bash other practices is xenophobic and closeminded

Oh puh-lease. We're not talking about different cuisine here, we're talking about, violating a child's rights, verus not violating a child's right. Tough call.

elliegirl.

Not really. Not really much difference for me at all as far as penetration is concerned. If anything, now that he is circumcised there seems to be slightly more friction, but not hugely noticeable.

Friction is undesirable. Women become lubricated so as to cut down on friction. It is the movement of pressure that stimulates, and friction is just something that may or may not go along with it.

"Not really" much of a difference. Hmm...

Anyway, may as well forget it. It's impossible to test these things. One can just go on good sense. I'm guessing you're emotionally attached to your boyfriend? Well that will be more than enough to cloud judgement.

[Guest]

it is more healthy (recent study shows a 50% reduction in STD transmission)

Nonsense. Show it to me.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6176209.stm

[Ezra]

http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/

There were studies conducted beforehand that showed that circumcision actually increased risk of HIV transmission. Not surprisingly, that wasn't published. Why would it be?

The "study" was full of holes - the biggest and most obvious being that the circumcised men were Muslim, and so, only had sex after marriage, and only with the one person.

The U.S., the most circumcised nation in the industrial world, also has the highest rate of HIV and other STDs.

[sexy sana]

the reason why i prefer guys with foreskins is when i was younger i only went out with Muslim lads that were all circumcised, and when i saw the first uncut guy i was something completely new i think fascination and found allot of different things to do with it, and have always perfered then since, thus letting my sons keep hold of theirs

[Ezra_Pound]

Interesting. May I ask how many men you've been with? I know a few Muslim girls, and most of them are really nervous when it comes to sex, and say they are "saving themselves" until they get married. Hmm...

Are you one of the women who is able to feel the difference during intercourse?

[Guest27]

Guest27.
Old man, words cannot express just how violently I detest you. Everything I have ever seen you post makes me want to vomit. The fact that you would use the word "ostensibly" speaks volumes about you. Hahaha.

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I'm 20 years old; "ostensibly" is a word I'm comfortable using written; and you must feel very small inside to need to come off that big on here.

Good luck Ezra_Pound.

[Ezra_Pound]

I come off big, do I? I'm flattered.

I've seen you talking like a half-wit in a bunch of other threads. Why on earth you crack out the thesaurus for my benefit is beyond me, but make no mistake comrade, I am grateful.

Good luck, Guest27.

[Guest27]

I come off big, do I? I'm flattered.

I've seen you talking like a half-wit in a bunch of other threads. Why on earth you crack out the thesaurus for my benefit is beyond me, but make no mistake comrade, I am grateful.

Good luck, Guest27.

I'm flattered you think I use a thesaurus.

Was using the word in its literal sense - implying your desire to come off "big". People like you often compensate feelings of personal inadequacy; and that's why I wish you luck.

[PaulineTramezzani]

I come off big, do I? I'm flattered.

I've seen you talking like a half-wit in a bunch of other threads. Why on earth you crack out the thesaurus for my benefit is beyond me, but make no mistake comrade, I am grateful.

Good luck, Guest27.

ezra, are you familiar with one euchrid pond?

[Guest]

I'm flattered you think I use a thesaurus.

I don't really. Just acknowledge that the kind of person to use a word like "ostensibly" on an internet message board, is, nine times out of ten, going to be a c-nt. If I use a word like "ineluctable", feel free to call me the same. I'm of the belief that if it can be expressed in monosyllables, it should be. We're not in the natural sciences here, comrade.

Was using the word in its literal sense..

No, you were not. You have no idea how large I am.

...implying your desire to come off "big".

"Big", like, how? I'm fascinated. From this new found fascination with all facets of the human psyche, I can only assume that you have progressed a few inches in your Psychology studies?

People like you often compensate feelings of personal inadequacy; and that's why I wish you luck.

If you weren't angry with me, you'd not take these silly little passive-aggressive jabs. If you were attempting to be the bigger person, you'd probably just say something genuinely pleasant to me, shake your head, and then sign off. You must have a full, exciting life! Go off and live it, my boy! I'll be here ranting about my prepuce.

ezra, are you familiar with one euchrid pond?

Why on earth bother signing in to post that?

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Now, if you don't mind, ladies and gentlemen, I'd be most appreciative if we could get back to the original subject; not Guest27 and his armchair psychology.

Merci.

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[Ezra_Pound]

Oops. That was me, boys and girls. For some reason, your humble narrator's cookies were deleted! I'll get to the bottom of this in a hurry!

Looking forward to hearing from you!

[Guest]

http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/

There were studies conducted beforehand that showed that circumcision actually increased risk of HIV transmission. Not surprisingly, that wasn't published. Why would it be?

The "study" was full of holes - the biggest and most obvious being that the circumcised men were Muslim, and so, only had sex after marriage, and only with the one person.

The U.S., the most circumcised nation in the industrial world, also has the highest rate of HIV and other STDs.

other than that links obvious bias, america doesn't hold the highest rates of hiv/aids infections. of the estimated 40 million hiv/aids suffers worldwide, 5.3 million of those live in south africa, making it the world's highest hiv/aids suffering country. over half - 26 million - of the world's hiv/aids suffers live in sub-saharan africa.

so, less hyperbole, please.

[sexy sana]

i have been with quite a few guys, even though im a Muslim family is fairly westernized, i even started my own daughters on the pill when they hit puberty.
I am able to feel the difference when having intercourse