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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:42 pm    Post subject: Take a look at this Reply with quote

A dossier was published on 24 September 2002 which claimed that (this was one of the claims) "the Iraqi military are able to deploy chemical or biological weapons within 45 minutes of an order to do so". The dossier was supposedly based on the intelligence agencies' assessments of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. However, David Kelly (one of the weapons inspectors) claimed that this information was added by Alasdair Campbell. The government has been officially cleared in relation to Kelly (by its own ‘Hutton Inquiry’), except for Lord Butler, who admitted that the Government's presentation of the intelligence evidence had been subject to a degree of exaggeration. However, many people still aren’t satisfied with this conclusion, and Kelly ended up dead (he supposedly committed suicide but the circumstances have been called suspicious by many, i.e. the paramedics who found him etc etc).
Concerning the government’s efforts to fabricate reasons for the war, it is also worth considering the case of Lord Goldsmith, who initially argued that the war was illegal, before inexplicably changing his mind. Accusations of pressure from the top of the government are supported by the resignation of Elizabeth Wilmshurst, deputy legal adviser to the Foreign Office, who claimed that her department had consistently argued against the legality of the war, but that Goldsmith suddenly reversed his opinions.

Also, in a similar vein there is the example of Colin Powell who addressed the United Nations Security Council on February 5, 2003 to argue in favor of military action in Iraq. He claimed that "there can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons and the capability to rapidly produce more, many more.", but went on to retire in 2004. He appeared on NBC's "Meet the Press" and stated that "It turned out that the sourcing was inaccurate and wrong and, in some cases, deliberately misleading," and “for that I am disappointed, and I regret it.". He has called his misleading testimony before the UN a ‘blot on [his] record’. This undoubtedly echoes what has been happening in British politics surrounding the war.

In February 2003 there was another UK briefing on Iraq’s supposed WMD. It has turned out that much of the paper’s content was taken from a PhD thesis – a thesis that hypothesized about the existence of WMD but the paper presented it as fact.

Another document (the infamous ‘Yellowcake forgery’), was relied upon by the US administration, as it claimed that Saddam Hussein had attempted to buy uranium from Niger. The document later turned out to be fake, and documents have since emerged showing that the US were aware of its dubious nature, but used it anyway.

No weapons of mass destruction were ever found in Iraq.
The supposed links between Al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein have remained equally elusive.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not here to discuss politics, and as someone who most would consider an American Conservative I probably don't have many friends here.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

80s diva is some dame: deliberately going into a politicsforum to announce she doesn't want to talk about politics. do you live next door to dubya?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mogadishu wrote:
80s diva is some dame: deliberately going into a politicsforum to announce she doesn't want to talk about politics. do you live next door to dubya?


Not at all. I meant to add something and my office phone rang - that wasn't to be my whole point!!

My point was that Saddam DID have the weapons at one time, he used them on the Kurds. It was quite reasonable to believe he still had them.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there are 2 objections to your point-

1) It is not reasonable to believe that he still had them simply because he had used them on the kurds -- that gassing was in 1988, and the first Gulf war ended in 1991. The empty weapon cases that have been found in Iraq had been dismantled in 1991, as he claimed.

2) Even if the assumption WERE reasonable, the point is that the authorities did not hold that assumption. The information they were presenting was "deliberately misleading" as Colin Powell (not some conspiracy theorist) has since admitted. The infamous 45-minute claim was added by a politician - Alastair Campbell (and criticised by the weapons inspectors).

These are not simple 'mistakes', that are easily made (and thus somehow 'quite reasonable'). This is a program of deliberate misinformation, or, to put it bluntly, lying. Check out the infamous Downing Street memo...

I think that these lies are gravely serious, and that the politicians who made them ought to be held accountable. The problem is that under UK law, it is not actually illegal for a politician to lie (!). Have a look at this website I've found, by a team of documentary filmmakers addressing that particular problem (in particular, check out the clip from the film at the top of the page) --

http://mo-truth.blogspot.com/2007/01/beginners-guide-to-ministry-of-truth.html
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