Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 298 Location: North Yorkshire
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:47 pm Post subject: Woman hit in the head at least 5 times
It's been on the news about a 19-year-old Sheffield woman who stands 5' 6" in her socks, weight in at 6/8 stones, (I'm unsure which given different news reports have given both weights), and is epileptic has been hit up to 5 times as "hard as I could", (the officers own words), by a police officer.
I just wonder why it took 4 male police officers in all, (3 to pin her down and one to strike her), to accomplish this and if all of those 'men feel more manly for doing so?
If it's true that she is an epileptic then of course she would appear drunk after having a fit and would of course thrash about if she were having a fit. I suspect almost every epileptic will tell you the same thing - Just before, during and for some time after a fit they are out of it, they haven't a clue what they are doing, where they are or who they are.
The police officer fully admits he hit her as hard as he could, he admits using brute force on her because, he claims, she was resisting arrest.
How on earth could this be justified? I remember reading years ago about a man who was getting head from his partner and she had a fit. Out of instinct he picked up a table lamp and hit her several times in an effort to get her to release as he was unaware of what was happening at the time. One second he was really enjoying himself and the next he was in excruciating pain as she bit down on his penis.
He was charged and tried for murder yet all he was doing was defending himself from what he construed as a malicious attack on his person.
In this scenario we have not one, but four adult males holding down a single woman who was then punched 5 times by one of them in the head in an effort to subdue her.
Any man who hits a woman is a coward, a man who'll hit a 'drunk' woman while three of his mates holds her down isn't a man, he's not even a piss poor imitation of a man in my view. (Oooooo! That sounds like someone on here who's always "pandering" to women )
But this 'man' believes he was justified in doing what he did because he's a police officer.
What I saw on that video was a woman trying to get away by pulling away from the police officer, who was then wrestled to the floor, pinned to it by 4 adult males and hit in the head by one of them.
This sort of behaviour does the police no favours as to me it now makes any police officer a viable target.
I have read of the police parking on double yellow lines to get a burger, I have read of the police breaking the speed limits to "test" a new car to the force, I have now seen video of the brutality the police are capable of.
This is the second time a police officer has been caught on video tape striking a member of the public. Within the last year or 18 months a police officer lost his job for striking someone who was drunk then claimed self-defense when the man was only standing there.
Now they're attacking women I can't trust the police.
We hear every day on the news and read in the papers of police officers taking hours to respond to a 999 call. We're hearing more frequently of them being violent toward members of the public, so one does have to ask the question, how often is this sort of thing happening but never coming to light because it's not caught on tape or the victim is so drunk they can't remember a thing?
At the end of the day, any involvement with the police from a routine stop check in the car to walking down the street or being the victim of a crime brings with it a risk you'll be attacked.
And they wonder why more and more 'professional criminals' are armed.
The more the police and authorities turn up the heat and start to fight fire with fire, the more innocent people will get burnt. More innocent people will be shot in "drive by" shootings as the gangs will be all too willing to carry firearms to use against their rivals as well as the police.
If things carry on the way they are, within the next 10 to 20 years the UK will be more like the old wild west and all because those boys in blue A) Can't keep their hands to themselves & B) Can't control their temper.
It used to be you were a police officer to keep the peace, protect the innocent and catch the guilty. These days that same uniform is little more than a power trip, a status symbol, a thing to put them above the criminals while looking any anyone who doesn't wear the uniform as a guilty of someone potential punch bag.
Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 1365 Location: England - Midlands
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:52 am Post subject:
She wasn't hit in the head. It was in the arm as she was resisting being handcuffed. She had no marks left on her, the police officer told the custody officer what he had done in case she needed medical attention.
She was resisting arrest - that's clear from the video. If she was having an epileptic fit then she managed to cause £3000 of criminal damage whilst doing so.
To say you don't trust the police anyway becuase of one officers actions is ridiculous prejuidce. The police are no more an homogenous group than women.
It quite often takes more than one officer to pin someone down, becuase they are fighting. In a real life situation, if you are fighting, then it may take only one, however the police aren't trying to fight, they're trying to restrain. Take a look at the officer who gave a statement yesterday who still has scars on his face from arresting someone smaller than this woman. She had been removed from the nightclub for drunken aggression. Epileptic or not. And I do have an understanding of epilepsy.
She wasn't hit in the head. It was in the arm as she was resisting being handcuffed. She had no marks left on her, the police officer told the custody officer what he had done in case she needed medical attention.
She was resisting arrest - that's clear from the video. If she was having an epileptic fit then she managed to cause £3000 of criminal damage whilst doing so.
To say you don't trust the police anyway becuase of one officers actions is ridiculous prejuidce. The police are no more an homogenous group than women.
It quite often takes more than one officer to pin someone down, becuase they are fighting. In a real life situation, if you are fighting, then it may take only one, however the police aren't trying to fight, they're trying to restrain. Take a look at the officer who gave a statement yesterday who still has scars on his face from arresting someone smaller than this woman. She had been removed from the nightclub for drunken aggression. Epileptic or not. And I do have an understanding of epilepsy.
Im not saying shes a total innocent here but there were 4 officers around her, why did she need to be punched at all?
Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 298 Location: North Yorkshire
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:50 pm Post subject:
libs74 wrote:
She wasn't hit in the head. It was in the arm as she was resisting being handcuffed. She had no marks left on her, the police officer told the custody officer what he had done in case she needed medical attention.
It started off with her arm until the photos of her arm were shown then it changed to the side of her head.
Doesn't it strike you as odd the officer says he hit her as hard as he possibly could and yet there were no marks on her arm?
Bruising to the head would be covered by her hair.
libs74 wrote:
She was resisting arrest - that's clear from the video. If she was having an epileptic fit then she managed to cause £3000 of criminal damage whilst doing so.
She was clearly hit 5 times in the video while being pinned to the ground by 4 men. What she had done prior to being pinned to the floor is not a relevant reason to punch her while she was restrained.
libs74 wrote:
To say you don't trust the police anyway becuase of one officers actions is ridiculous prejuidce. The police are no more an homogenous group than women.
It's not just one officer though is it? A few months ago another one punched a drunk man in the face who posed no threat to him.
On the "Tonight" show the hand held speed traps where questioned and it seems to be found that if the laser is tracked down the bonnet of the car instead of being aimed at the number plate then it adds up to 10 MPH onto the speed of the vehicle.
They also proved the guns can make a stationary car a moving car.
The more CCTV cameras are installed, the more frequently those cameras won't just catch the bad guys but they'll also catch the "good guys" doing bad things.
libs74 wrote:
It quite often takes more than one officer to pin someone down, becuase they are fighting. In a real life situation, if you are fighting, then it may take only one, however the police aren't trying to fight, they're trying to restrain. Take a look at the officer who gave a statement yesterday who still has scars on his face from arresting someone smaller than this woman. She had been removed from the nightclub for drunken aggression. Epileptic or not. And I do have an understanding of epilepsy.
Although I see what you're saying and agree the more people to pin someone down the better, to hit or punch someone being restrained is not acceptable under any circumstances.
When I worked the psychiatric wards I dealt with far more violent people than the police ever would on a daily basis. We were taught how to restrain someone and how to pin people down as a group, (in more or less the same way as the police), and we never had any occasion to strike a patient no matter how violent they were being.
It is the fact she was already on the floor and then she was punched, (be it the head or the arm, a punch is still a punch). She was not punched while causing the damage to the car, she was not punched when she attacked the officer, but she was punched whilst being held down.
Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 298 Location: North Yorkshire
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:56 pm Post subject:
noodles wrote:
Im not saying shes a total innocent here but there were 4 officers around her, why did she need to be punched at all?
Her guilt or innocence isn't at issue here is it?
Anyone with a brain can see she's decided to make a few quid out of all this and she probably was drunk at the time of the incident.
I personally don't think she deserves a penny because she got herself into that situation, but, the fact remains she was punched while she was restrained on the floor by 4 adult males.
The officer pleads self defense because she was attacking him, I would ask how?
She admitted to doing the damage to the car, she admits she'd had a few drinks that night and as for her epilepsy .... Well, you'd have to have an IQ in single figures to believe that one given it's a 'self diagnosis'
But this does not warrant being punched while restrained does it?
Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 1365 Location: England - Midlands
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:56 am Post subject:
If she won't allow them to handcuff her then yes it does. She's resisting arrest and cuffing and I'm sure that you all remember the officer killed by an unhandcuffed prisoner a few years ago. I don't understand why all the fuss. Try getting arrested in the US or in mainland Europe. She was drunk (bottle of brandy by her own admission) had caused £3000 of criminal damage, attacked a bouncer and then resisted arrest...she has no memory of the night, not through epilepsy but through drink and aggression. Anyone punched full force in the face in that way would have a black eye, bruised cheekbone, etc etc.
Okay so there was 2 incidents of a police officer punching someone, again would you judge all women by what 2 of them do?
Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 298 Location: North Yorkshire
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 10:50 pm Post subject:
libs74 wrote:
Okay so there was 2 incidents of a police officer punching someone, again would you judge all women by what 2 of them do?
It's not just two incidents.
The police officer who drove a police car at more than twice the national speed limit to test the car.
The police officers who heckled and bullied a woman on a train.
The police officer who punched a drunk man who was not resisting arrest or posing any threat to him.
Now we have a woman pinned to the ground and punched.
Do you remember the Birmingham 6 or the Guilford 4 by any chance that went on years ago?
Or perhaps the illegal attempt to kidnap Ronnie Biggs in Brazil?
The PCA receive huge numbers of complaints against police officers and guess what??? Not many of them, (many have to go to court for justice to be done and then very often it isn't), are upheld but some of them are.
Now if such a pro-authority is finding in favour of the complainant they're saying the accused officer was guilty of some wrong doing.
What I've seen of the police is they have gone from decent and honest people who wear the uniform with pride and are there to genuinely protect the innocent. A person who would give a kid a clip round the ear for stealing apples from a tree then take him/her home for another clip round the ear from their parents to nothing short of bullies in uniform.
I ask you how someone who is so drunk they can't remember a thing, can pose a threat to anyone when they are being pinned down on the floor by 4 adult males?
I notice you bring her background into this to try and defend the actions of that police officer as justified.
So what if she had drunk a bottle of brandy? Loads of people drink far more than that, go outside, throw up, have a kebab, throw up again then stagger home to sleep it off.
Drinking doesn't make her a criminal, nor does the quantity of drunk she had.
She could have caused £30k worth of damage to a car but that still does not warrant being held down and punched. It's only a car after all and no doubt it'll be insured. I'll agree it's not right she did that damage to anyone's property, but since you can get arrested anyway for criminal damage to your own property, (be it a car, a house, a bike or a garden fork), that reflects how serious the charge is/was.
And she wasn't punched in the face but the side of the head.
Watch any police reality program and you'll see the police deal with people every day who resist arrest. The mob that person, they take them to the ground and yes they use brute force to force the suspects arms behind their back ti cuff them. They don't punch anyone, I suspect this is because the cameras are there.
It started off with her arm until the photos of her arm were shown then it changed to the side of her head.
Ahh... thankyou for that. That part of the story never made sense. Someone's allegedly trying to bite you so you hit them in the arm?
It goes to the policeman's knowledge that he realised he was out of line. It also means he was failing to use reasonable force (head injuries need immediate medical examination or they can leas to death) and also that he himself lied to the police in his statement.
The result? He'll be entirely exonerated by a ppolice investigation and live happily ever after on a healthy pension.
The woman sounds like scum. I'd rather she get harmed instead of the police who are trying to do their job by protecting the law abiding members of society from people like her. When I go out and get drunk, I don't start smashing things up, and hitting bouncers, so why should she? Of course I'm sure she'll get her compensation money - I just hope it's used to pay for the damage she caused, but instead I expect tax payers will be forced to foot the bill in the same way they have to fork out for her probable dole cheque. It's also pathetic how she is trying to play the race card. No love - you weren't hit because you're black, you were smacked because you deserved it. Rodney King wannabe - at least that moron was original.
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