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GIULIANI TO RUN FOR US PRESIDENCY; THOUGHTS?
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elliott20
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're going to quote wikipedia, you might want to finish reading the rest of the article first.

Otherwise, you might miss information that also works against your point.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ShortLived wrote:
elliott20 wrote:
If you're going to quote wikipedia, you might want to finish reading the rest of the article first.

Otherwise, you might miss information that also works against your point.


I looked at that too.
But I believe that the small things add up!
Let's face it... if the place looks and acts like a sewer, NOTHING WILL CHANGE MUCH!

And I'm not disputing that it doesn't help. But without some kind of true social shift behind it, cosmetic changes will be nothing but that, cosmetic.

I just don't think he deserves all the credit for cleaning up NYC. I personally feel that people are too quick to want to give him all the credit for cleaning up New York City, as if he was the one to initiated it.

This is not to say he had no contribution. I mean, the guy increased police presence and brought in commercial presence that brings up real estate value. All these things help, but I do not believe it has as strong of an effect as a lot of people would suggest. Baltimore took up a similiar strategy but was met with far less success, thanks to the city not actually improving upon the citizenry and instead just increased law enforcement. The end result is that the population that supplied the criminals simply moved their operation from one end of town to another and went underground. So, while it cleaned up the downtown inner harbor area,(making it into the quinessential tourist trap) the rest of the criminal element just shifted to other areas of the city.

Observing the similiar strategy but with very different outcome, I think his role was more help supporting the momentum that NYC had in it's improvements, as opposed to be solely responsible for it's change.

Again, not to say that his work was not valuable.

The two main things he did was the increased law enforcement and the increase commercial value of real estate.

The first one can help maintain the areas law enforcement rates, but the other does nothing other than drive the poor from area to another as the real estate outprices them. It fundamentally does not improve the quality of life for the poor citizenry who is supplying the criminal elements. That's why I personally believe in social outreach programs where education assistance is key. Programs like that can fundamentally change the very citizen population not by simply shifting them to some place else where they become somebody else's problem, but by changing them into a viable work force through giving them more opportunities have gainful employment.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose.

The problem is cleaner places, without cleaner people, will not last. (At least, that's from the examples I've seen)

One of the neighborhoods my ex-coworker lives in has regular clean ups in the area. But at the same time, over 50% of the house were at one point burgled within the past 2 years. So, while the neighborhood looks clean as a middle class wholesome suburban street, the people there have to invest heavily in home security measures to ensure that their house don't get broken into. (The effectiveness of which, has been questionable) It's kind of the reason why the ex-coworker had a hard time selling his house.

Oh yeah, and now that ex-coworker of mine hates teenagers with a passion. It's actually kind of funny to watch him talk about it.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably. But it's kind of like the Parito's Principle, you know? Best bang for the buck really.

the broken window principle, in that regard, seems like it's a good strategy for urban development to maintain the cleanup work that has taken place and further strengthen the local real estate value.

I guess the idea I was shooting for was that the best way to eliminate crime is to eliminate the class that creates the crime by changing them into a class that generates less crime. But it's far more work and it is not nearly as easily measurable. As a long term solution, it can do wonders. However, most mayors do not get to stay around long enough to ever see the pay off from the investments, which is partially the reason why it often takes a back seat. All the work they put into this sort of endeavor will often not get recognize until their term have long ended and then by the time it DOES work, chances are somebody else will take credit for it by just being in the position of power at the time. As such, it is usually not an attractive strategy.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing
no not quite.

I mean, by promoting the lower class into middle class by giving them the means to earn the income through education empowerment.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elliott20 wrote:
Laughing
no not quite.

I mean, by promoting the lower class into middle class by giving them the means to earn the income through education empowerment.


A certain percentage of the population will always strive to be lower class.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

perhaps. just like we as human beings will always be sick from time to time. But it doesn't mean it's a bad idea to take care of our bodies.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elliott20 wrote:
Laughing
no not quite.

I mean, by promoting the lower class into middle class by giving them the means to earn the income through education empowerment.


+ 1 !
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He hasn't featured in the first two primaries - do you think he will 'rebound' or will he fall out of the race?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hes dead in the water
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's going nowhere ....................... Laughing

It's just as good since he's being supported by the neocons who want to use Americans to die fighting for israel
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PMSL - Rudy taught us how to not win an election by not campaigning until Florida. I guess he under-estimated the momentum thing. Just as well though - I didn't think he was the best candidate the Reps put up.

Now we just need to get rid of the Hillary beast and put Obama up against McCain. Very Happy

Oh yeah, to be clear where I stand - Obama/Edwards 08 - all the way!

ABC - Anyone But Clinton
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

obama cant win in america
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hes riding a wave but he has no substance.
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