1. Do You Poison Your Son’s Mind Against His Father

[YAS]

Ok let me put it anotherway two strangers meet in a pub & have sex, the woman risk's getting pregnant by a stranger, the man risk's a woman he barely knows getting pregnant with his child, she goes onto have the baby (lets say she doesn't find out she is pregnant untill she is past the abortion limit) so she has no choice but to have the baby, the father is never to be seen again & is unaware of his offspring so the woman raises her child on her own. Do you agree that the man must take some responcibilty for sleeping with a woman he barely knows gettin her pregnant knowing he will never see her again so cannot be held accountable? do you think he is partly to blame for that child being fatherless? (I know the woman knew she could get pregnant also & does take some of the blame too)

[Fred75]

Ok let me put it anotherway two strangers meet in a pub & have sex, the woman risk's getting pregnant by a stranger, the man risk's a woman he barely knows getting pregnant with his child, she goes onto have the baby (lets say she doesn't find out she is pregnant untill she is past the abortion limit) so she has no choice but to have the baby, the father is never to be seen again & is unaware of his offspring so the woman raises her child on her own. Do you agree that the man must take some responcibilty for sleeping with a woman he barely knows gettin her pregnant knowing he will never see her again so cannot be held accountable? do you think he is partly to blame for that child being fatherless? (I know the woman knew she could get pregnant also & does take some of the blame too)

nuff said.

[Fred75]

I know what your driving at and I agree with you.

Thing is women tend to use what you want me to say to absolve themselves.

That does no one any good HERE.
Especially the children that pay the highest price for HER stupidity.

[YAS]

Ok let me put it anotherway two strangers meet in a pub & have sex, the woman risk's getting pregnant by a stranger, the man risk's a woman he barely knows getting pregnant with his child, she goes onto have the baby (lets say she doesn't find out she is pregnant untill she is past the abortion limit) so she has no choice but to have the baby, the father is never to be seen again & is unaware of his offspring so the woman raises her child on her own. Do you agree that the man must take some responcibilty for sleeping with a woman he barely knows gettin her pregnant knowing he will never see her again so cannot be held accountable? do you think he is partly to blame for that child being fatherless? (I know the woman knew she could get pregnant also & does take some of the blame too)

nuff said.

Would you agree he is partly responcible for HIS child being born?? without his knowledge??

[Polgara69]

Well done YAS. Dont back down now cos you have made a very valid point.

[Fred75]

Well done YAS. Dont back down now cos you have made a very valid point.

That's no consolation for the fatherless child now, is it?

[Polgara69]

And its no consolation for the woman he abandoned either. What about those men who deliberatly play on women and then leave them when they have had the baby or even before? Is it the womans fault that she wasnt psychic and couldnt see what a selfish prat he was the first time she met him? Some men are so charming and seem so nice but enjoy getting women to believe what they want them to. Why cant you see that its not always the womans fault for her situation. There are some real gits out there. How is that the womans fault?

[Fred75]

And its no consolation for the woman he abandoned either. What about those men who deliberatly play on women and then leave them when they have had the baby or even before? Is it the womans fault that she wasnt psychic and couldnt see what a selfish prat he was the first time she met him? Some men are so charming and seem so nice but enjoy getting women to believe what they want them to. Why cant you see that its not always the womans fault for her situation. There are some real gits out there. How is that the womans fault?

Because there are some real gits out there.

[YAS]

I'm not after point scoring with you fred, I actually agree with some of your points made on other threads. I am trying to find out if you actually believe that it is allways the womans fault if a child ends up fatherless & to see if you can actually admit that in these cases the father does have some blame & does have to take some responcibilty for his child being fartherless.

[Fred75]

I'm not after point scoring with you fred, I actually agree with some of your points made on other threads. I am trying to find out if you actually believe that it is allways the womans fault if a child ends up fatherless & to see if you can actually admit that in these cases the father does have some blame & does have to take some responcibilty for his child being fartherless.

Just between you and I... Of course I do.
If this were a mens forum I can just as easily lambaste the gits like I do the tramps here.

But as I said... women tend to go the emotional route and forget the logic of what they do and its' real consequences.

[YAS]

Thankyou Fred,
I knew you were a big softie really

[Fred75]

Let me clarify the difference though...

As a MAN and MAN to MAN... I would lambaste him based on his responsibilities for his actions.

That's a MORAL directive.

It still does not trump, IMO, the reality of who ends up with the kid.

[YAS]

Oh stop back tracking, your a teddy bear & you know it

[Polgara69]

Point scoring aside....1-nil to YAS! I cant remember another board where Fred admitted that he is a bit of a git and has a go at women regardless. But you have a point too Fred. Some women do seem to be led by their emotions rather than their heads. I left my eldest sons father because he was violent. Only the once, didnt stick around for him to do it again. But I never slagged him off to my son. My son (now 18) does that himself cos he has found out for himself what a dick his father is. And yes you are right, there are some real gits out there!

[Polgara69]

That was supposed to say My son who is 1 8! I spaced it so it didnt create a smiley!