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Rowan Williams says no to the Da Vinci Code

Postby mogadishu on Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:25 pm

Archbishop rejects mystery mania

The Gospel is human words backed by divine energy, says Dr Williams
Conspiracy theories or the discovery of ancient texts will not weaken the Gospel, the Archbishop of Canterbury has said in his Easter Sunday sermon.
The Gospel of Judas and the Da Vinci Code foster a sense of mystery, but the Easter message lives in Christian experience, Dr Rowan Williams said.

Many Christians are putting their lives at risk for their faith, he added.

Meanwhile, Archbishop Of York Dr John Sentamu has baptised four adults in a pool outside a York church.

Seventeen others were also confirmed in the service, aired on Radio 4.

Dr Rowan Williams said in his sermon at Canterbury Cathedral that the truth of the Resurrection is strengthened by Christian experience across the globe.

Life or death

"The Bible is not the authorised code of a society managed by priests and preachers for their private purposes, but the set of human words through which the call of God is still uniquely immediate to human beings today; human words with divine energy behind them."



"There are places in our world where conversion to Christianity is literally a matter of putting your life on the line.


"We have all been following the story of Abdul Rahman in Afghanistan and we know that his story is not unique," he says - referring to the Afghan who was threatened with death for converting to Christianity.


Dr Sentamu baptised four people in York on Easter Sunday

"We can say with absolute certainty that whatever the Gospel means in circumstances like that, it isn't a cover-up for the sake of the powerful."

He urged believers at Easter to "strip away the accumulated lumber of 2,000 years of rather uneven Christian witness and try to let the event be present in its first, disturbing, immediacy."

The Da Vinci Code has sold more than 40 million copies worldwide and has been made into a film starring Tom Hanks.

It alleges the Church suppressed the "truth" that Jesus had a child with Mary Magdalene, and this bloodline was the real Holy Grail.

The Gospel of Judas, a papyrus document from the 3rd or 4th Century AD, casts the fallen disciple as a benevolent figure, helping Jesus to save mankind.

In York, Archbishop Sentamu stood knee deep in water and immersed four adults outside the church of St Michael-le-Belfrey.

The four members of the congregation were greeted with applause and cheers from the 300-strong crowd before being offered towels when they emerged from the inflatable pool.

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Postby constanza on Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:27 pm

There must be a grain of truth in it somewhere or the authorities wouldn't be getting their cassocks in a knot about it. Just because they don't believe it doesn't make it true. Some people still think the world is only 6000 years old....

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Postby mogadishu on Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:37 pm

hmmm.... it's possible that you could have something completely untrue that would upset people because it was unfair. Some claim that dan Brown is historically inaccurate with a lot of his arguments.

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Postby Sugar on Sun Apr 30, 2006 2:58 pm

Almost anything can be historically inaccurate--it depends on which history book you read. The Davinci Code is a work of fiction; therefore, the author can write whatever he wants. It's sold 40 million copies worldwide--well done, Dan Brown!

In the Official Website of Dan Brown, the author addresses many of his readers' concerns:


http://www.danbrown.com/novels/davinci_code/faqs.html
All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players--William Shakespeare

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Postby xxintergirlxxy on Thu May 04, 2006 2:14 am

The Da Vinci Code is grosely offensive to Christians, thats why people are getting their cassoks in a twist. Were Christians as fanatical a Moslems, there would have been serious troubles.

It is completely at variance with the truth. Historical records and eye-witnesses at the time prove conclusively that it is a load of bollicks

Chris advocated celibacy as the highest state of human existence.Would He then advocate something He could not achieve Himself?

He was observed to ascend. His risen body is non-sexual, nor capable of sexual reproduction. So how on earth did He marry Mary Magdalene and have children?

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Postby mogadishu on Fri May 05, 2006 7:02 pm

xxintergirlxxy wrote:

It is completely at variance with the truth. Historical records and eye-witnesses at the time prove conclusively that it is a load of bollicks


obviously, da vinci advocates would say that those eye witness accounts have been falsified. or maybe not - there is a whole back story advocated by the likes of baigent and co. arguing that christ staged the crucifixion in order to fulfil certain prophecies in the book of Zechariah (sp?). so they would suggest that eyewitness accounts of christ walking around post-crucifixion simply meant he hadn't died in the first place.

Chris advocated celibacy as the highest state of human existence.Would He then advocate something He could not achieve Himself?
according to gardner, strict codes of discipline were laid down for a messianic heir, whereby the heir was instructed to remain celibate for years at a time. he wasn't entirely celibate however, as he was expected to sire a son.

[quoteHe was observed to ascend.
Maybe he wasn't.

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Postby mogadishu on Sat May 06, 2006 3:55 pm

according to L.G., heaven was a monastic community rather than a supernatural world.
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Postby xxintergirlxxy on Mon May 08, 2006 7:22 pm

There is too much evidence in the Old Testament to support the coming of Christ. Ezekiel, Mikah, Jeremiah hose, Isaiah, the book of psalms, to name but a few

Are you seriously suggesting He staged His scourging? That was the standard precursor to crucifixion where each length of leather had steel barbs in it to rip open the flesh. After scourging, a man's back would be completely stripped of flesh, flayed. You can't be serious!

Crucifixion is a very painful, barbaric death. Are you serious that He staged execution in the hope that He would survive it? No one else ever did, so how could He be certain? The Romans posted a Centurian whose job it was to make sure friends of the condemned did not help their escape.

When it came to remove the bodies, His side was pierced with a lance and out flowed water [ie plasma, that comes out when there is no longer any blood left in the body].

If He intended to survive it, why did He commit His mother to the care of John? Surely He wouldv'e looked after her himself in His old age.

There is nothing in Scripture to say He was to have a son or that He would marry.

Judas was a common thief, he used to help himself to the common purse. There was no Gospel written by Judas. Judas committed the ultimate rejection of Christ by killing himself [nonChristian sources confirm that]. Why would he if he was only doing as Christ had arranged?

How do you account for the Jews? They are not Christian so why would their historical account support the view that He died and remained in the grave for at least two whole days? What about the Roman Guard at the request of the Jews to prevent 'His body being stolen and it claimed He had risen'?

Why were the Apostles scared shitless when they saw Him as they thought they had seen a ghost because they witnessed His death?

Why immediately after His resurrection did He tell people not to touch Him as He had not yet fully ascended?

What about the Anglic witnesses in the empty tomb? 'He is not here He is risen and has gone before you into Gallilee'!

How do you account for the testimony of St Paul? [ Phillipians 2:6-11. Paul was around within a short period of the Resurrection. Peter and Paul were preaching the Risen Christ and His ascention to His Father. How could they if He was still on the scene.

Are you seriously suggesting that Christ eluded His OWN family and Disciples for over a century because He had eloped with Mary Magdalen who was still around witnessing to His resurrection.She could not be in two places at once. So, did He live without her for the first 100-years?

If He was not who He claimed to be [and He couldn't if He conned all His Disciples] then His mission was in vain.

You believe what you want. I have met the Spirit of the risen Christ. I with millions of others. I suppose we too are part of the conspiracy :!: :!: :!:

You can't use the Scriptures against the Church whose Scriptures they are. Christ founded one church, not many as some seem to believe and said the power of death would never prevail against His Church, to whom He gave Divine Authority Matthew 16:13-19. Why would He if He was still around?

Why does Revelation say He will come again and next time He will be seen globally/ Wherever you stand on the planet you will see Him?

The scriptures say that there will be many false prophets arise and will lead many astray I suggest that Dan Brown is one of them.

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Postby mogadishu on Tue May 09, 2006 11:47 am

xxintergirlxxy wrote:There is too much evidence in the Old Testament to support the coming of Christ. Ezekiel, Mikah, Jeremiah <A HREF="http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52">hose</A>, Isaiah, the book of psalms, to name but a few


that's retrospective. he would have been aware of those prophecies, and could have gone out of his way to try and fulfil them.

Are you seriously suggesting He staged His scourging? That was the standard precursor to crucifixion where each length of leather had steel barbs in it to rip open the flesh. After scourging, a man's back would be completely stripped of flesh, flayed. You can't be serious!


i'm not suggesting anything. this is the interpretaion of baigent and co. I have yet to make my mind up.

Crucifixion is a very painful, barbaric death. Are you serious that He staged execution in the hope that He would survive it?


LG: the Cyrene switched places with Lazarus/Simon Magus/Simon Zelotes who was also due to be crucified. he administered a poisonous mixture to Jesus, who immediately " gave up the ghost". Jesus was taken down comatose but alive, and revived in the burial tomb by Lazarus, with aloes brought by Nicodemus.

came to remove the bodies, His side was pierced with a lance and out flowed water [ie plasma, that comes out when there is no longer any blood left in the body].[p/quote]

LG: it was blood, not water. it demonstrated tvascular activity continued, which showed that Jesus was alive not dead.

If He intended to survive it, why did He commit His mother to the care of John? Surely He wouldv'e looked after her himself in His old age.


he was going away to lead a monastic life for years.

There is nothing in Scripture to say He was to have a son or that He would marry.


LG: there is, but it is codified: "let them hear who have ears" (or something like that". Jesus is codified as "the word of God". the new testament tells us that "the word of God increased". the part where Mary washes Jesus' feet is a marriage ritual.

Judas was a common thief, he used to help himself to the common purse.
No- Judas was a political revolutionary.


How do you account for the Jews? They are not Christian so why would their historical account support the view that He died and remained in the grave for at least two whole days? What about the Roman Guard at the request of the Jews to prevent 'His body being stolen and it claimed He had risen'?
i know nothing about jewish accounts of the crucifixion. the guard might have meant that his excommunication had been countermanded.



Why immediately after His resurrection did He tell people not to touch Him as He had not yet fully ascended?


LG: he told his wife not to touch him because of the strict messianic rules governing bodily contact.

What about the Anglic witnesses in the empty tomb? 'He is not here He is risen and has gone before you into Gallilee'!


resurrection had a secular meaning, not a supernatural one.

How do you account for the testimony of St Paul? [ Phillipians 2:6-11. Paul was around within a short period of the Resurrection. Peter and Paul were preaching the Risen Christ and His ascention to His Father. How could they if He was still on the scene.


LG: Paul deviated from Jesus' own Nazarene preachings by telling poeple that Jesus was God, something Jesus himself never claimed. Paul is the founder Christianity.

Are you seriously suggesting that Christ eluded His OWN family and Disciples for over a century because He had eloped with Mary Magdalen who was still around witnessing to His resurrection.She could not be in two places at once. So, did He live without her for the first 100-years?


i have no idea what point you are making.

If He was not who He claimed to be [and He couldn't if He conned all His Disciples] then His mission was in vain.


he was who he claimed to be. it was other people who claimed he was god. he claimed to be the rightful king of israel.

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'King of Israel' before Pilot, he said 'His kingdom was not of this world'.

John [the diciple whom Jesus was closest] in his opening to his gospel said 'In the beginning the Word was with God and the Word WAS God. He existed before all else was made'. Are you suggesting John was wrong too!

Jesus was the last of the line of the prophets. No prophet came after Him. Why do you think that was? The Old Testament predicts the Coming of Christ? If He was not the Christ, then where is He?

Left behind in the temple at age 10, 'his mother was worried about Him and going back to find Him he said: 'did you not know that I must be about my fathers business'!

In the temple when he turned over the stall holders tables he said: this is my Fathers house and you have turned it into a den of thieves'. Therefore is claiming to be the Son of God.

But, Jesus gave us a model of how to live, He lived in total humility. Therefore He never clung to His equality with God but assumed the condition of a man and being as all men are, He was humbler yet even to accepting death, death on a cross'.

Eye witnesses including the convert [the Centurian] witnessed that when they came to His body He was already dead. So they pierced his side with a lance and out flowed water [they didn't know it was plasma, they didnt have modern biology!!

When He was buried, His mother was with Him. Thye had to bury Him quickely as it was preparation day [the sabbath, after sunset]. A huge stone was rolled against the entrance. You are saying that a man who was crucified, who the Roman execution party [who were used to executions] were so concerned in case He died on the way, then underwent crucifixtion, lay in the grave for over two days, with a Roman guard outside, some how recovered without any medical intervention.

How do you explain the Angelic presence?

How do you explain the modern day visitations by the BVM who consitently tells devout followers to 'make ready' 'confess their sins' and 'renounce their sinful way of life in preparation for the iminent return of her Son. How do you explain that one?

How do you explain His OWN prophecy that He was to be killed and on the third day rise again?

How do you explain the Holy Spirit at Pentecost the Advocate He promised after He had ascended?

How do you explain the continued presence and intervention of His Holy Spirit which continues, of whom I am an eye-witness?

Why would He have eloped to leave his apostles witnessing for His mission, most of whom suffered the same fate crucifiction. Why would the Son of God the last of the line of the messianic prophets lie?

If He was not the Son of God how did He cure so many, make the lame walk, the blind see, even raise the dead?

Peter the Apostle also healed in Christ's name. From where did this power come?

How do you explain the Church surviving 2000-years of persecution and policical effort to destroy it?

How do you account for St Anthony and the Child Jesus?

What about Padre Pio?

What about Clement, Cornilous, Sixtus, Linus, what about Joseph His custodian? A devout Jewish man of the inner temple. Do you think that Jesus would have deceived His own father with whom He worked for over 20-years?

What about His mother witnessing to His mission for Human Redemption?

Why did He advocate celibacy as the highest state but only for those who were strong? Why did He model celibacy when as you allege, he couldn't control His bodily urges?

You do not know about Jewish Weddings if you think that Mary Magdalene washing His feet with her tear and drying them with her hair, is a marriage ceremony!

His followers all lived very chaste lives, so why would He not have been able to live the same life?

The Messiah spoken of, was the Son of God. He fullfilled the prophecies. He was SEEN to ascend. How do you explain when He ascended and His apostles saw Him go, feeling very saddened, the angel said: 'Why are you so sad, you will see Him come back at eh end of time'. Why would he have said this?

How do yo explain the peace that comes from an encounter with the risen Christ. It is a peace this world does not know nor can comprehend. Unless you have felt it, you cannot possibly know what it feels like.


What other human institution has survived for 1000 years let alone 2000?

The Church has not only survived but succeeded thousands of attempts to destroy it. Which is exactly what Christ predicted 2000-years ago, that 'the gates of death and the underworld would never hold out against His church! You conveniently ignore this. If you are right then you will have an answer not a 'maybe this' or maybe that' but an answer.

What about exorcists who cast out powerful demons in the Name of Jesus of Nasereth? Why would a being vastly superior to us obey the wish of a mere man? Why would they? They would tell him to get stuffed. But on the Name of Jesus of Nasereth even the Demons obey, which is exactly what Christ said would happen.

I do not know what you believe or who. You are sadly mistaken as you have not 'yet' met the risen Christ. I have along with millions of others. When you do [and I pray that you will] then you too will see!!

You believe in what you want. I worship the risen Christ, the Holy One of God who lives

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Postby xxintergirlxxy on Tue May 09, 2006 10:15 pm

:lol: How do you expain the Immaculate Conception?

You say Jesus never claimed to be God. He never claimed to be anything BUT GOD!!!

That was the reason WHY the Jews wanted and plotted to kill Him because to claim to be God was blasphemy. They constantly accused Him of blaspheming by claiming to be equal to God.

Why when Jesus asked His Apostles who He was, and they said: Elijah or one of the prophets, did He turn to Simon and say 'who do you say I am'?

When Peter replied: 'You are the Christ the Son of the Living God [living God was very significant for the Jews], why did Christ say in reply: 'Simon you are well blessed because it was not flesh and blood that revealed this to you but my Father who is in heaven, therefore I say to you, on you I will build my Church and the gates of death and evil will never prevail against it'! Why did He claim to be the Christ?

All of the prophets predicted the coming of the Christ. Why did He claim to be the Christ?

Why did a very holy man in St John the Baptist say of Christ 'I baptise with water but there is One to come after me and He will baptise with the Holy Spirit of God'?

Why did John the Baptist say he was not worthy to undue His sandal straps? if He was just another man?

Why when Joseph was planning to marry Mary, when he decided to send her away because she was pregnant, did an Angel appear to him and tell him 'not to worry as the child she was carrying was not conceived by the urge of sex but by the power of God? Why did the angel tell him that if it was not true?

Are you saying the Angels are part of the conspiracy?

How do you account for the angelic Host? What about Cherubim and Seraphim [legions of hight ranking Angels]


How do you account for he Immaculate Conception?


I think you have to admit that Dan Brown and a handful of ignorant people have seen an opportunity to 'make money' and have exploited it. But, they know little of the Sacred Scriptures, nor the Prophets

They do not know for example that ALL the prohets were of ONE family line, sons of fathers. The last of the line was two branches, Mary from one and Joseph from the other.

Jesus Himself was the LAST of the line! If He had children, they too would be descendents of the Prophetic line. Why were they conspicuously silent? Over 2000-years and not a whisper?

Where are they today? Where are they? If someone could stand up and claim to be a descendent of The Christ, they would become zillionaires overnight, everyone would want to read the book and see the film. Where are they?

How do you [Brown and his Co associates you mention], explain away the many Visionaries?

How do you account for the many 'visitations' of the BVM? Why is it that conmen like Brown and co do not have visions, beyond how to make a fast buck?

There have been Brown's throughout the history of Christianity. STILL it survives and globally is going from strength to strength. Why is that?

Why has no other human Institution lasted for more than a few hundred years but Christianity has steadily gone from strength to strength for over 2000-years?

I will tell you why: because the Lord Jesus Christ has kept His promise to send the Advocate [the Holy Spirit], who guides His Church in every age and will continue to do so until the end of humanity. When we shall see Him come again as He promised in the realm of all His glory.

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Postby mogadishu on Wed May 10, 2006 5:55 pm

first of all intergirl, I'm portraying the views of Laurence Gardner. I appreciate that they go against your own beliefs, but as I said before, these are not necessarily mine. i enjoy reading your posts, but please don't "shoot the messenger".


xxintergirlxxy wrote::lol: How do you expain the Immaculate Conception?


the hebrew "almah" was mistranslated as "virgin", when actually all it meant was "young woman".

Joseph was a patrilineal heir in the davidic line. as such, his wife would have had the nominal style "mary". sexual relations for those in the davidic line were strictly governed. following a first marriage in the month of atonement (Sep.) the pair were forbidden from contact until December, when sexual relations were permitted for the first fortnight. This was so that any davidic heir would be born in september. if the mary conceived, a second marriage took place to formalise the arrangement in march. until this point, the mary remained an 'almah'.

however joseph and mary disobeyed the rules and jesus was born on March 1st. As this was before Mary's second marriage, he was born while she was still an 'almah', mistranslated as a virgin.

You say Jesus never claimed to be God. He never claimed to be anything BUT GOD!!!


"son of god" was a secular title applicable to the patrilineal heir in the davidic line, as was "Messiah".

That was the reason WHY the Jews wanted and plotted to kill Him because to claim to be God was blasphemy. They constantly accused Him of blaspheming by claiming to be equal to God.
conspiracy theorists argue that noone would be sanctioned for crucifixion for mere blasphemy. he was trying to cause insurrection to free judea from roman oppression.

when he was taken before Pilate, Pilate quickly realised that there was no real charge to substantiate. but his gamble to give the jews a say in the release of Jesus backfired when he gave them the option of releasing Thaddeus instead.

Why when Jesus asked His Apostles who He was, and they said: Elijah or one of the prophets, did He turn to Simon and say 'who do you say I am'?
dunno.

When Peter replied: 'You are the Christ the Son of the Living God [living God was very significant for the Jews], why did Christ say in reply: 'Simon you are well blessed because it was not flesh and blood that revealed this to you but my Father who is in heaven, therefore I say to you, on you I will build my Church and the gates of death and evil will never prevail against it'! Why did He claim to be the Christ?
Christ = nominal style for the patrilineal heair of the house of Judah.

All of the prophets predicted the coming of the Christ. Why did He claim to be the Christ?
see answer above. he knew that one had been predicted who would free rome from oppression, and felt he should fulfil that role.

Why when Joseph was planning to marry Mary, when he decided to send her away because she was pregnant, did an Angel appear to him and tell him 'not to worry as the child she was carrying was not conceived by the urge of sex but by the power of God? Why did the angel tell him that if it was not true?
there were concerns over Jesus' legitmacy as he was born in March rather than September. Joseph had the option of putting Jesus away to be raised in a monastery, but this made little sense as he was in the royal line. Gabriel sanctioned Jesus' birth, in spite of the fact the rules concerning his conception had been broken.

The highest priest was known as the archangel Michael. The second highest was the Abiathar priest known as the Gabriel ("the angel of the lord"). Angel simply means "messenger".

How do you account for the angelic Host? What about Cherubim and Seraphim [legions of hight ranking Angels]


these were earthly priests, according to L.G.

Jesus Himself was the LAST of the line! If He had children, they too would be descendents of the Prophetic line. Why were they conspicuously silent? Over 2000-years and not a whisper?

Where are they today? Where are they? If someone could stand up and claim to be a descendent of The Christ, they would become zillionaires overnight, everyone would want to read the book and see the film. Where are they?

several royal lines claim descent from Jesus, including the british house of Stuart.

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xxintergirlxxy wrote:

John [the diciple whom Jesus was closest] in his opening to his gospel said 'In the beginning the Word was with God and the Word WAS God. He existed before all else was made'. Are you suggesting John was wrong too!
he was saying Jesus was Godly, imho. how do you account for the biblical claim that "the word of god increased"?

Left behind in the temple at age 10, 'his mother was worried about Him and going back to find Him he said: 'did you not know that I must be about my fathers business'!
there is a claim that he was actually much older. he spent his childhood in monastic environments. he was in his early twenties during that exchange, if i remember the theory rightly.

In the temple when he turned over the stall holders tables he said: this is my Fathers house and you have turned it into a den of thieves'. Therefore is claiming to be the Son of God.
see explanation for the phrase "son of God" above.

Eye witnesses including the convert [the Centurian] witnessed that when they came to His body He was already dead. So they pierced his side with a lance and out flowed water [they didn't know it was plasma, they didnt have modern biology!!


simon the canaanite/simon the leper/zebedee/simon zelotes/simon magus/lazarus applied a mixture of sour wine and snake venom ("vinegar mixed with gall") to Jesus by measured application using a reed and sponge. this had a comatosing effect. after his brother had negotiated that jesus' apparently dead body be moved to the family sepulchre, simon was on hand to revive him with a fast acting purgative.

as for the plasma flow, have already given LG's explantion. blood cannot flow from a dead body - there simply isn't enough vascular activity. the flow indicated that he was alive.

When He was buried, His mother was with Him. Thye had to bury Him quickely as it was preparation day [the sabbath, after sunset]. A huge stone was rolled against the entrance. You are saying that a man who was crucified, who the Roman execution party [who were used to executions] were so concerned in case He died on the way, then underwent crucifixtion, lay in the grave for over two days, with a Roman guard outside, some how recovered without any medical intervention.
he was revived that evening, by simon in the tomb. the stone was rolled back on the sabbath.

How do you explain His OWN prophecy that He was to be killed and on the third day rise again?
he predicted he would be crucified, not killed. crucifixion was spiritual death by decree, with death on the fourth day.

ressurection meant the countermanding of spiritual excommunication.

How do you explain the continued presence and intervention of His Holy Spirit which continues, of whom I am an eye-witness?


your personal belief.

Why would He have eloped to leave his apostles witnessing for His mission, most of whom suffered the same fate crucifiction. Why would the Son of God the last of the line of the messianic prophets lie?
L.G.: it's if he died that his apostles would have been left high and dry - they would have scattered and fled. his survival gave hismission a new lease of life.

If He was not the Son of God how did He cure so many, make the lame walk, the blind see, even raise the dead?
the miracles have a mindane explanation. making the blind see was a code for introducing gentiles to the doctrinal "Way". Raising Simon Zelotes from the dead meant countermanding his excommunication and restoring him to spiritual and political life.

How do you explain the Church surviving 2000-years of persecution and policical effort to destroy it?
the Church as we know it today follows Paul's teachings, not the original Nazarene Jewish teachings of Jesus and his brother James/JOseph of Arimathea.

How do you account for St Anthony and the Child Jesus? What about Padre Pio? What about Clement, Cornilous, Sixtus, Linus, what about Joseph His custodian? A devout Jewish man of the inner temple. Do you think that Jesus would have deceived His own father with whom He worked for over 20-years?What about His mother witnessing to His mission for Human Redemption?
I don't know these people. could you say what point you're trying to make?

Why did He advocate celibacy as the highest state but only for those who were strong? Why did He model celibacy when as you allege, he couldn't control His bodily urges?
he could control his bodily urges. When trying for a child he was permitted sexual relations for only two weeks a year. If his wife conceived, he was then forbidden from having sex for either a three or a six year period, depending on the sex of the child.

You do not know about Jewish Weddings if you think that Mary Magdalene washing His feet with her tear and drying them with her hair, is a marriage ceremony!
these were part of the marriage preparations. as per the song of solomon.

The Messiah spoken of, was the Son of God. He fullfilled the prophecies. He was SEEN to ascend. How do you explain when He ascended and His apostles saw Him go, feeling very saddened, the angel said: 'Why are you so sad, you will see Him come back at eh end of time'. Why would he have said this?
he was seen to enter a monastery. his apostles were sad because they would miss him. i don't know why the priest said what he said.

What other human institution has survived for 1000 years let alone 2000?


War.

What about exorcists who cast out powerful demons in the Name of Jesus of Nasereth? Why would a being vastly superior to us obey the wish of a mere man? Why would they? They would tell him to get stuffed. But on the Name of Jesus of Nasereth even the Demons obey, which is exactly what Christ said would happen.


The female celibates of the community were under the authority of the "Demon Priests", formed in opposition to the "seven lights of the menorah". the chief of Scribes (at this time Judas Iscariot) was also "demon priest number seven". Mary Magdelene was under Judas' authority until December. Then she was permitted sexual relations, so "seven devils" were cast out of her.

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Postby xxintergirlxxy on Wed May 10, 2006 8:22 pm

I thought you were entering serious dialogue but now realise that like the Da Vinci Hoax it is all a wind-up! You are trying to get me at it and I bit and took the bate.

Either you are on a wind-up or your knowledge of the Bible and biblical events and biblical ontology is seriously lacking. You are mis-placing names in the wrong order, ages, people and events out of context. Your exegesis is wholly incorrect to the point of being farcical. Any self-respecting theologian would die with laughter!

Whether you intend it or not, you clearly do not know the historology and teachings of Christ, the Pauline or Petrine canon well enough to quote them to any degree of accuracy. To argue against such inaccuracy is pointless and futile.

I would suggest that you get your names and events in the right order, distinguish between biblical fact and fantasy, learn a little bit about latin to be able to accurately interpret what you quote, then we can enter again into a serous dialogue.

May the peace of the Risen Christ remain with you now and always :lol:

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Postby WW on Wed May 10, 2006 8:40 pm

You talk of myth and magick, by doing so you cannot comprehend the ‘truth’

Arguing the semantics of distorted fables and two thousand year old Chinese whispers is not the path to enlightenment.

Forget what you believe and begin anew

Karl Glogauer had a traumatic history of bullying and abuse but follows his messianic destiny and finds himself hailed as a magus by John the Baptist and the Essene sect ...

Glogauer is a failed lover, a questing but forever unsatisfied mystic, a repeated faker of suicide attempts. In first-century Judaea these shortcomings are echoed in terrible ironies, and his destiny emerges as inevitable from the moment he visits a certain carpenter's workshop to find the misshapen idiot boy called Jesus.

Behold the Man!

Forget what you believe and begin anew



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