Rowan Williams says no to the Da Vinci Code

[xxintergirlxxy]

Intergirl.

No one is taking the piss out of the Catholic Church. They hold the original texts. They hold texts that were the actual parchment that St Peter actually wrote on. That is a fact. But they have not released them to the wider world for scrutiny.

It is also well known that in the Vatican are other authentic documents handed down from the actual apostles themselves. The Catholic Church refuses to let the outside world inspect them. I can understand why. they could become damaged, but do you see, that is what brings the Vatican in to disrespect. People say 'why are you holding onto original text and not letting the outside world see it?

Chil out. it is not worth getting upset about. I read recently about the 7th Day Adventists who have criticised the Catholic Church as the anti-Christ [stay loose intergirl], they are basing their interpretation on yet another code which they allege exists in the bible which is at complete variance with Dan Brown. They are arguing the Catholic Church is wrong for the very opposite to what Dan Brown is arguing.

Cant you see? They are arguing against Dan Brown but their arguements are based on research done in the last 100-years! The Vatican retains the original text. Their arguements are relatively futile except for the fact they are alleging to something 1900 years after the event.

There willl be lots of interpretations and unless the Vatican release the orginal documents they have, no one will ever agree about anything. In the mean time some folk are getting incredibly rich on the 'LACK OF INFO rath er than knowledge the Vatican could nip in the bud if they chose

[Guest]

Intergirl

You are never going to get on top of every wierdo who has a ridiculous belief on something that happened 2000-years ago but not a shred of evidence to back it up. You are never going to convince the world that the 80-odd Gospels that were NEVER WRITTEN do not exist.

I have come across people who allege to a Gospel of Mary, Thomas etc etc. You know and I and every academic thoughout the world that their WAS NO gospel written by Mary or Thomas, but you will never be able to prove that.

Chill out and forget it. If folk want to believe that Mary and Thomas and numerous others wrote gospels, then that is up to them. Your appeal will make not the slightest bit of difference ok!

Just enjoy and be amused.

[mogadishu]

Nor are you going to get on top of every weirdo who believes it's possible for a woman to conceive without having sex. or a weirdo who believes it's literally possible to turn water into wine, because of course god's top priority for humanity is alcohol consumption.

just chill out and be amused. xx

[Guest]

god's top priority for humanity is alcohol consumption.

Sounds like my kinda god!

[xxintergirlxxy]

Thank you very much for the courtesy of your replies and kind regards.

I am very grateful to you for your kind thoughtful replies.

[Guest]

Thanks Intergirl.

My knowledge of the Bible comes from academic study which is a bit different to yours which is based on faith., I have read some of your posts with interest as they do actually fit in with biblical phenomenon. But you are still never going to convince those who have already made up their minds.

Some people are closed to progress whether it by scientific, theological or philosphical. They will always be primitive because they are not prepared to suspend their belief in their own superordinance.

It is a fact that Israel in 1948 having acquired mainly desert restablished their homeland based on biblical references of where water sources were. The bible old testament was a valuable source of historical and topographical information. This proves there are certain facts in the bible which are true.

There are however certain facts recorded in the bible which your God leaves to each individual to decide for themselves whether to accept or not. As you say, if they are willing to suspend their prejudices and 'ask' all will be revealed to them. I have not reached that point yet but am on my way. Just need some more personal reflection first.

Your Christ said the cross would be a stumbling block to disbelief, that sounds bizzare but that is the more you think about it, really the essence of it all.

Thank you for your kind words. Take care.

[Linus]

Women conceive without sex, It was written long ago that 'the shadow of the most high would over shadow her'. But that is too profound for you mogadishu. To God all things are possible. Just as He created the Universe out of nothing.

The alternative is more unbelievable than a woman getting pregnant by the power of the most High.

You would have us believe that a link in a chain is held up by the link above it, and that in turn is supported by the link above that, and so on all the way upto the top where the top link on the chain is supported by.........NOTHING!!

Put another way, the train carriage is towed by the one in front and that towed by the one in front of that all the way up the train until you get to the first carriage. That in turn is towed by.........nothing!!!!!!

The Believer in God on the other hand says the front carriage and all the others are being towed by the engine. Now doesn't that make a lot more sense!!

Everything in nature that exists, every event is dependent on the event before it, all the way back to the first event which was ultimately caused by a non-event! Nothing has ever come into existence from nothing!!

Literally 'Nothing' begets 'nothing'. An event is always preceded by a previous event. Events therefore are dependent on a previous event. There is no such thing as an independent event since every event is caused by a previous event.

You are arguing that all dependent events can be traced back to a non-event or an independent event, but that is impossible seeings all events are dependent on the event that preceded it. The only way an event can occur is by something causing the first dependent event. A 'first cause'.

Athiests like Mogadishu argue the first event was a sort of magical event caused by faries and elves, but what caused the faries and elves? Science tells us there is no such thing as a magical event, every event is dependent on a previous event, all the way back to a first cause which caused the first dependent event. We call that first cause GOD!

All rather simple really isn't it

[mogadishu]

Linus, pot is only harmless in moderation.

[Guest]

Mogadishu, having read your thread, the sensible comments of your critics and the way you plagiarise the fiction of others and claim it for yourelf, it seems that apart from what others have told you, you know very little.

In respect of Linus, it appears he has got you by the balls

[mogadishu]

no. i referenced LG throughout, and made it clear that it was his opinion not mine.

I don't think Linus would have me by the balls even if I had any, as the flaw in his analogy seems too obvious to point out.

[swee]

Archbishop rejects mystery mania

The Gospel is human words backed by divine energy, says Dr Williams
Conspiracy theories or the discovery of ancient texts will not weaken the Gospel, the Archbishop of Canterbury has said in his Easter Sunday sermon.
The Gospel of Judas and the Da Vinci Code foster a sense of mystery, but the Easter message lives in Christian experience, Dr Rowan Williams said.

Many Christians are putting their lives at risk for their faith, he added.

Meanwhile, Archbishop Of York Dr John Sentamu has baptised four adults in a pool outside a York church.

Seventeen others were also confirmed in the service, aired on Radio 4.

Dr Rowan Williams said in his sermon at Canterbury Cathedral that the truth of the Resurrection is strengthened by Christian experience across the globe.

Life or death

"The Bible is not the authorised code of a society managed by priests and preachers for their private purposes, but the set of human words through which the call of God is still uniquely immediate to human beings today; human words with divine energy behind them."



"There are places in our world where conversion to Christianity is literally a matter of putting your life on the line.


"We have all been following the story of Abdul Rahman in Afghanistan and we know that his story is not unique," he says - referring to the Afghan who was threatened with death for converting to Christianity.


Dr Sentamu baptised four people in York on Easter Sunday

"We can say with absolute certainty that whatever the Gospel means in circumstances like that, it isn't a cover-up for the sake of the powerful."

He urged believers at Easter to "strip away the accumulated lumber of 2,000 years of rather uneven Christian witness and try to let the event be present in its first, disturbing, immediacy."

The Da Vinci Code has sold more than 40 million copies worldwide and has been made into a film starring Tom Hanks.

It alleges the Church suppressed the "truth" that Jesus had a child with Mary Magdalene, and this bloodline was the real Holy Grail.

The Gospel of Judas, a papyrus document from the 3rd or 4th Century AD, casts the fallen disciple as a benevolent figure, helping Jesus to save mankind.

In York, Archbishop Sentamu stood knee deep in water and immersed four adults outside the church of St Michael-le-Belfrey.

The four members of the congregation were greeted with applause and cheers from the 300-strong crowd before being offered towels when they emerged from the inflatable pool.

I'm not awake properly yet but I am going to come back and read this thread properly.

[mogadishu]

Yay.

[Guest]

God is the unified theory of everything. God is nature. The Word is nature. In the beginning was the word and the word was god. The Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end.

[Guest]

Joseph was a craftsman (master of the craft) The craft of transmuting gold in the "Manna" (white powder of Gold)

[Guest]

Another word for exotic matter, the philosophers stone, alchemy gold, manna is, "The alpha and the omega". God = nature, the circle of life, creation.