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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:50 pm    Post subject: Big Business - Dying Planet Reply with quote

We've heard the reports about global dimming and a much more accelerated rate of global warming than initially anticipated. The permafrost is disappearing from some of the icy regions of the earth and as more ice continues to melt, it will release vast amounts of methane into the atomosphere, accelerating global warming even further. Added to this, each year approximately areas the size of wales are clear felled in the Amazon rainforest to make way for growing soy plants to feed chickens. The soy industry is so profitable that those doing the clear felling don't want to stop it. However, the Amazon rainforest is critical for the balance of the earth and continual erosion of it will also accelerate global warming. Already, there are parts of the Amazon that have been experiencing drought, where it had never been experienced before.

The burning of fossil fuels also contributes to global warming, and given the shaky state of affairs in the middle east, fuel prices have been sky rocketing, even though reserves have not been exhausted - it is a fear tax. Ethanol very quickly emerged as an alternate solution (surely known about for a long time, but only emerging when the situation is pressed). Hybrid cars are emerging, but the price is still very prohibitive to enable large scale purchase of such cars. In order to make the changes required to protect the planet, big business would have to be willing to change their way of thinking from 'maximum profit' to 'adequate profit'. However, we've been in such a thought space of continuing to drive for higher and higher profits for so long, usually pooling into the pockets of very few and have rewarded those with cut throat lack of conscience, ergo 'those who don't care about anyone else are the most likely to suceed and to profit'. When we value that as 'good business' we breed into power a group of psychopaths - taking what they can for their own personal satisfaction in the here and now and leaving a ravaged legacy for the generations to come.

Unmitigated greed seems to be leading to the world spiralling out of control. Ultimately, I think this will lead to the fall of our civilisations, as has happened time and again in the past. It is a very real probability that within 100 years large areas of the earth will have become inhabitable - subject to drought and mass extinction of those living in those areas. Much large scale loss of life will be likely to continue in the interim due to more severe weather patterns. It is also a real probability that a lot of land mass will be lost to the waters as the oceans continue to rise due to the polar melt.

Is it too late to try and reverse these patterns? Is it inevitable that humans will yet again not learn until it is too late? Big business works on supply and demand - what can we do, the people of the earth, to take our demand power out of the control of big business and put it into business that will provide sustainable solutions for the earth and attempt to slow down and/or reverse the path we are on now?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For starters they dont need to be producing papers, you know the type of papers Im on about Sunday supplements full of useless panflettes, junk mail that pours through our letter boxes every day. WE DONT WANT OR NEED PAPERS. We have all the news we need _. So quit making us feel S H I T about it, when its the fat cats who run this multi-millionaire propaganda businesses and consistently put the blame on the public. If they stop producing papers, they'll have no money. Thats why they keep producing papers.

They dont need oil, they have Ormes. Obviously if they used Ormes technology the bottom would fall out of the oil market. So it makes sense for them to use oil to keep our cars running, thus polluting the atmosphere?????????

To conclude, I wish people would stop thrusting this crap in our faces. They have the technology to change things, but will they use it????

Thats lifes one big question isnt it?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its called Creation!!!!!!!! Geeze what is with everyone, oh no the worlds going to end. Cataclysms have been happening to every civilization since the dawn of time. Nothing can be status Quo all the time, wake up. The planet evolves, we evolve, thats whats happening now. We can make steps to change it, but you have to ask why we are being constantly hounded by eco warriors, when governments have the technology to change it. People are making a difference to their lifestyles, but the press consistently report the "Doom and Gloom" scenario.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Future generations will curse us because of our wanten vandelism of the planet and contempt for natural resources.

The motor car is so inefficient that for every £1 [or $] worth of petrol that goes into the fuel tank, 20p [20c] worth of usable energy goes into driving the car forward. The remaining 80p [c] is lost in motion and energy inefficiency. Ever tried to push a car in first gear or push a car up hill? Impossible, that is the sort of inefficiency where your dosh goes wasted.

What absolute perverted wankers we are. But it is not really our fault is it?

I blame governments and car makers for letting us get away with it Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doo-Little wrote:
Future generations will curse us because of our wanten vandelism of the planet and contempt for natural resources.

The motor car is so inefficient that for every £1 [or $] worth of petrol that goes into the fuel tank, 20p [20c] worth of usable energy goes into driving the car forward. The remaining 80p [c] is lost in motion and energy inefficiency. Ever tried to push a car in first gear or push a car up hill? Impossible, that is the sort of inefficiency where your dosh goes wasted.

What absolute perverted wankers we are. But it is not really our fault is it?

I blame governments and car makers for letting us get away with it Laughing


Its the same Eco warriors working for the propaganda machine. They have the technology to change things. I am sick of governments selling this stupid ideologies to us, that everything will remain status quo. have you ever heard of creation?

As for destroying the planet, stop selling us pointless crap like papers and books, which we can view _. Ask yourselves who's really making the money here!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We can read papers and books O N L I N E
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doo-Little wrote:
Future generations will curse us because of our wanten vandelism of the planet and contempt for natural resources.

The motor car is so inefficient that for every £1 [or $] worth of petrol that goes into the fuel tank, 20p [20c] worth of usable energy goes into driving the car forward. The remaining 80p [c] is lost in motion and energy inefficiency. Ever tried to push a car in first gear or push a car up hill? Impossible, that is the sort of inefficiency where your dosh goes wasted.

What absolute perverted wankers we are. But it is not really our fault is it?

I blame governments and car makers for letting us get away with it Laughing


Yeah well I blame governments and car manufacturers for purposely denying humans the choice to live in cleaner conditions and then having the nerve to propagate in our faces.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doo-Little wrote:
Future generations will curse us because of our wanten vandelism of the planet and contempt for natural resources.

The motor car is so inefficient that for every £1 [or $] worth of petrol that goes into the fuel tank, 20p [20c] worth of usable energy goes into driving the car forward. The remaining 80p [c] is lost in motion and energy inefficiency. Ever tried to push a car in first gear or push a car up hill? Impossible, that is the sort of inefficiency where your dosh goes wasted.

What absolute perverted wankers we are. But it is not really our fault is it?

I blame governments and car makers for letting us get away with it Laughing


I'm sorry, but do you hear anyone from our generation cursing George Stephenson? Do you hear anyone cursing the industrial revolution for producing the loom? No you don't. We wouldnt have clothes or transport if it werent for these inventions. So quit whining.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

. wrote:
Its called Creation!!!!!!!! Geeze what is with everyone, oh no the worlds going to end. Cataclysms have been happening to every civilization since the dawn of time. Nothing can be status Quo all the time, wake up. The planet evolves, we evolve, thats whats happening now. We can make steps to change it, but you have to ask why we are being constantly hounded by eco warriors, when governments have the technology to change it. People are making a difference to their lifestyles, but the press consistently report the "Doom and Gloom" scenario.


I gotta agree that the press will always catch onto the doom and gloom scenarios - although I have to say that the physical evidence that has been presented on some of the BBC coverages recently are worrying - and I put more stock in them because people from those environments and also scientists are giving the commentary.

I do think the Government could work to subsidize hybrids, support the availability of cleaner burning fuels and also subsidize solar heating installation costs - but yeah, they don't want to change the status quo cos they've already worked out how to spend the dollars they get from the status quo - and a lot of the time that is put into 'promises' that the 'elected' powers that be have promised and need to make good on least they get voted out in the next election for not living up to what they promised (which creates an inherent self-serving bias in the system).

Let's face it - the status quo is more economically viable than the alternatives. Look at cigarettes for example. The government where I live is constantly attacking cigarettes by putting the taxes up on them (as a means - so the rhetoric goes - to get people to stop smoking because the cost is prohibitive) - but if everybody suddenly just stopped smoking, they would crap themselves, they make billions of dollars off that tax each year. They cite the 'health costs of smoking related diseases', but those costs are a drop in the bucket compared to what they make in the taxes. So is it that they want people to stop smoking or is it that they are using rhetoric to justify making money out of tobacco addiction?

Also, they have a certain percentage of tax on fuel costs - instead of levelling off the tax at what they usually got before the prices increased, they've just taken the opportunity to cream the hell out of the situation - with money flooding into the public coffers as a consequence. And subsidize solar heating and energy for the average householder? OMG - but that would mean self sufficiency, which would mean less money flowing under the control of the powers that be.

Grumble grumble groan grrrrr.
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