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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:31 pm Post subject: Man U to chip footballers
]Someone sent me this article from 30th June. See, there are many ways to skin a cat. Anyone who accepts a microchip is an idiot.
Man Utd plan to chip players
John Scheerhout
MANCHESTER United stars could be fitted with a tiny microchip to help Sir Alex Ferguson track their movements on the pitch.
A chip the size of a grain of rice could be embedded just under the skin of stars including Wayne Rooney, Rio Ferdinand and Gary Neville.
Satellites would track its exact position so that United's training staff can pinpoint players' movements during a match or training.
United bosses today confirmed the technology was being considered although no decision had been taken.
But they rubbished reports of a revolt by players who are concerned they could be tracked off the pitch shopping or nightclubbing. It is believed the technology has been used in South America, where footballers have been kidnapped.
It has also been considered by the medical profession in the United States so doctors can access information if a patient is unconscious.
Technology
First team coach and former Reds' player Brian McClair, wrote in a column for the official United magazine: "We are continuing to embrace technology in our quest to win trophies.
"The fitness coach recently attended a demonstration of a system that can track the movement of the players by satellite. One or two of the first team players were not too pleased as they thought the gaffer could locate them at any time (not that anyone would be somewhere they shouldn't)."
United spokesman Phil Townsend confirmed the new technology was being considered but insisted there was no player revolt.
He said: "Brian McClair's column is known for being tongue-in-cheek and anyone who takes it seriously has less sense than I thought.
"There is certainly technology out there. We are always on the look-out and if a system helps improve performance we will look at it. But no decisions have been made."
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:44 pm Post subject:
. wrote:
I'm worried in five years' time people we'll be saying "Oh there's no harm for it/if they're doing it there must be a good reason" etc etc.
Exactly. David Icke used to go on about this in the 80s and people roared with laughter at him for being a nutter. And now it's happening all over the place. Just like other things in society, it is easy to make anything become the norm with the right sales pitch.
Bit like that Alien film - Wayne Rooney being tracked by Sir Alex:
Beep, beep, beep, "its getting closer" shouts Sir Alex, "its outside the door", beep, beep, beep.
The door smashes open, the figure of Wayne Rooney storms into the office.
He screams expletives, "beep, beep, beep"!
Another response:
The beautiful game has been redefined from an art to a science. Call me old fashioned but Pele would not have been improved by having a chip, perhaps the Manchester United players are simply not good enough.
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Satellites would track its exact position so that United's training staff can pinpoint players' movements during a match or training.
Surely this may provide too much temptation for Manchester City fans in positions of power to launch airstrikes against the hapless players.
Joking aside this is a real matter for concern since even the top players with their wealth will still be seen more as business assets than actual human beings. Whilst one may not sympathise with the higher earners - what of the youth players whose dreams may well come to depend on their willingness to have the chip.
There is a certain inevitability that this post will find itself into the Off-Topic sections. Though such a move is somewhat justified there is underlying features of this which can find application into possible scenerios which may eventually be encountered under the ID scheme.
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Sir Alex Ferguson track their movements on the pitch.
Why - Could this be in order to scrutinise players action?
Will Gary Neville have to explain why he made a dash into the opponents half?
'Rooney you were meant to be playing just behind the front two, can you explain what you were doing on the left wing'.
Surely this will stifle the freedom of creativity and things will stagnate.
Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: Man U to chip footballers
swee wrote:
]Someone sent me this article from 30th June. See, there are many ways to skin a cat. Anyone who accepts a microchip is an idiot.
Man Utd plan to chip players
John Scheerhout
MANCHESTER United stars could be fitted with a tiny microchip to help Sir Alex Ferguson track their movements on the pitch.
A chip the size of a grain of rice could be embedded just under the skin of stars including Wayne Rooney, Rio Ferdinand and Gary Neville.
Satellites would track its exact position so that United's training staff can pinpoint players' movements during a match or training.
United bosses today confirmed the technology was being considered although no decision had been taken.
But they rubbished reports of a revolt by players who are concerned they could be tracked off the pitch shopping or nightclubbing. It is believed the technology has been used in South America, where footballers have been kidnapped.
It has also been considered by the medical profession in the United States so doctors can access information if a patient is unconscious.
Technology
First team coach and former Reds' player Brian McClair, wrote in a column for the official United magazine: "We are continuing to embrace technology in our quest to win trophies.
"The fitness coach recently attended a demonstration of a system that can track the movement of the players by satellite. One or two of the first team players were not too pleased as they thought the gaffer could locate them at any time (not that anyone would be somewhere they shouldn't)."
United spokesman Phil Townsend confirmed the new technology was being considered but insisted there was no player revolt.
He said: "Brian McClair's column is known for being tongue-in-cheek and anyone who takes it seriously has less sense than I thought.
"There is certainly technology out there. We are always on the look-out and if a system helps improve performance we will look at it. But no decisions have been made."
What do you think?
True, I mean who kows what will happen in the future. You're handing your body over to slavery, its all very well being seduced by technology but its in exchange for complete control. Who knows what theyve stored inside chip implants. If some dictator managed to get hold of the data or had access to the controls. It would be like space invaders LOL
I'm worried in five years' time people we'll be saying "Oh there's no harm for it/if they're doing it there must be a good reason" etc etc.
Exactly. David Icke used to go on about this in the 80s and people roared with laughter at him for being a nutter. And now it's happening all over the place. Just like other things in society, it is easy to make anything become the norm with the right sales pitch.
This is the thing, if they market the chip mainstream, they could promote it via the fashion industry i.e kate Moss accessorizing it with gigabites like Ipod memory etc. They could eventually combine the verichip and go multi-functional to seduce consumers as a paychip in replacement of a credit card, medical data, passport ID, mp3 players........its limitless technology.
The whole idea of walking into a bar and being scanned automatically, so your drinks are waiting for you at the counter, switching the lights, television, computer on electronically. You'd essentially be a physical remote control minus the coinage. It'll be automatically calculated and credited to your account. The fact they've chipped the armies are considering chipping absent fathers, football players etc. We'll soon see a whole new promotional, propagated slant on chips, yet its worrying that there is no objection in the media to the chip and the descent of the human race into a race of enslaved cyborgs.
Joined: 02 Jan 2005 Posts: 27339 Location: On Morrissey's sofa
Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:11 am Post subject:
ILWL wrote:
Surely this will stifle the freedom of creativity and things will stagnate.
Oh completely! Imagine...just a bunch of tossers running around the pitch...no, bear with me here....but it will basically be as though the game is programmed into them before kick-off. And like you say, who is going to veer into the creative zone?
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True, I mean who kows what will happen in the future. You're handing your body over to slavery, its all very well being seduced by technology but its in exchange for complete control. Who knows what theyve stored inside chip implants. If some dictator managed to get hold of the data or had access to the controls. It would be like space invaders LOL
But it would, hehehe. And you don't know WHAT they've got stored in there, nor how many places can read it and just WHAT they have access to about you - airports, banks, courthouses...they're a few places I can imagine people using them first (aside from the trendy chippers) but what about theft? Basically, as long as there is technology there will always be hackers.
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This is the thing, if they market the chip mainstream, they could promote it via the fashion industry i.e kate Moss accessorizing it with gigabites like Ipod memory etc. They could eventually combine the verichip and go multi-functional to seduce consumers as a paychip in replacement of a credit card, medical data, passport ID, mp3 players........its limitless technology.
The whole idea of walking into a bar and being scanned automatically, so your drinks are waiting for you at the counter, switching the lights, television, computer on electronically. You'd essentially be a physical remote control minus the coinage. It'll be automatically calculated and credited to your account. The fact they've chipped the armies are considering chipping absent fathers, football players etc. We'll soon see a whole new promotional, propagated slant on chips, yet its worrying that there is no objection in the media to the chip and the descent of the human race into a race of enslaved cyborgs.
Urgh, isn't it just? And that's what they are making us. I read something recently about the supersoldier, where they are experimenting with grafting non-biological tissue onto muscle joints in order to enable the soldier to run faster, jump higher, lift heavier etc.
I feel very very sorry for the experimentees until they get it right.
Let me see if I can dig the article out.
As for the marketing aspect, you are SO right. iPod, cashless purchase, celebrity endorsement....it's easy to make it cool and I just urge people not to be seduced by the con when the opportunity faces them. No matter what giftwrapping it comes in, it is still a noose, a handcuff.
Thing is, in a few years, I imagine kids will be clamouring for Mummy or Daddy to get them the latest chip.
Its the realisation of Nietzsche Superman theory. Events occurring are very Orwellian & HG Wells. I suppose thats Fabian ideology for you
What if Hitler had been able to microchip armies? Perhaps the microchip explains what Gulf war syndrome? Science is so obssessed with the evolvement of the cyborg, the film industry continously push these ideologies in our faces. The experimenting with grafting non-biological tissue onto muscle joints in order to enable the soldier to run faster, jump higher, lift heavier etc, it all amounts to Cyborgs, Cyberian culture. What if we dont want a piece of cyberspace real estate?
The Soul Catcher microchip 2025 records lucid dreams, (playback) You too can live the life of your dreams. Digitilised human beings, artificial limbs, chips enabling the blind to see via microchips etc. Its easy to be seduced by this technology at the cost of your civil liberties.
Isn't it just? I told my mum if ever I need surgery and general anaesthetic, I demand someone video the procedure
Yes and theres the whole debate surrounding the illegal extraction of organs without the deceased prior consent.
However, what irritates me about the verichip, is the way they are sneaking it onto the scene, they havent mentioned it in the mainstream media of late. People have the choice whether to have an implant, but its the political implications i.e centralising the data onto one computer. What about fraud? The worlds unstable enough as it is, youre basically handing your body over as a guinea pig to a bunch of cowboys.
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:25 pm Post subject:
. wrote:
Yes and theres the whole debate surrounding the illegal extraction of organs without the deceased prior consent.
However, what irritates me about the verichip, is the way they are sneaking it onto the scene, they havent mentioned it in the mainstream media of late. People have the choice whether to have an implant, but its the political implications i.e centralising the data onto one computer. What about fraud? The worlds unstable enough as it is, youre basically handing your body over as a guinea pig to a bunch of cowboys.
Yes and have you noticed while it's been omitted from the mainstream media it has been slipping under the radar into several test subjects/programs? Or rather, several thousand.
Yes and theres the whole debate surrounding the illegal extraction of organs without the deceased prior consent.
However, what irritates me about the verichip, is the way they are sneaking it onto the scene, they havent mentioned it in the mainstream media of late. People have the choice whether to have an implant, but its the political implications i.e centralising the data onto one computer. What about fraud? The worlds unstable enough as it is, youre basically handing your body over as a guinea pig to a bunch of cowboys.
Yes and have you noticed while it's been omitted from the mainstream media it has been slipping under the radar into several test subjects/programs? Or rather, several thousand.
Yes, its really rather worrying that the mainstream media appear to be blissfully ignorant of this. Which makes me think, they are all working for a specific agenda or are too frightened to speak out about the verichip. I havent seen a documentary on it yet. Totalitarian b a s t a r d s
Well this just says it all really doesent it? Theyre planning to chip footballers without consulting them by ballot. As if theyre going to decline considering the millions involved. Whats to say they arent incorporating MC tactics into this anyway. There'll be no creative control involved, its all about credit.
Sir Alex has always had the rep that while he may be hard on his players himself, he will never fail to protect them from outside threats and intimidation. Now would be the perfect time for him to demonstrate this.
Sir Alex has always had the rep that while he may be hard on his players himself, he will never fail to protect them from outside threats and intimidation. Now would be the perfect time for him to demonstrate this.
Footballs all about making money, but it would be nice to see someone speaking out. Charlie Sheens a hero
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But it would, hehehe. And you don't know WHAT they've got stored in there, nor how many places can read it and just WHAT they have access to about you - airports, banks, courthouses...they're a few places I can imagine people using them first (aside from the trendy chippers) but what about theft? Basically, as long as there is technology there will always be hackers.
Theyre planning to chip footballers without consulting them by ballot. As if theyre going to decline considering the millions involved. Whats to say they arent incorporating MC tactics into this anyway. There'll be no creative control involved, its all about credit.
